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Miami Corporate Hours

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:48 am
by Anonymous User
Various threads suggest the corp groups of Miami firms such as GT, White & Case, and Bilzin are sweatshops.

Any specifics on hours? I get corporate is cyclical, but does it ever approximate New York I-banking hours / all-nighter culture?

Re: Miami Corporate Hours

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:05 am
by Anonymous User
they sweatshops compared to other places in florida (i.e. 9am-4pm jobs). They all have wayyyyy less hours than any firm in NYC.

Re: Miami Corporate Hours

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:48 am
by Cicero76
Anonymous User wrote:they sweatshops compared to other places in florida (i.e. 9am-4pm jobs). They all have wayyyyy less hours than any firm in NYC.


Literally none of this is true.

OP, the hours are about what you would expect. 9/10am until 7/8, with plenty of days being longer and a fair amount of weekend work.

Re: Miami Corporate Hours

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:54 am
by redsox550
Cicero76 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:they sweatshops compared to other places in florida (i.e. 9am-4pm jobs). They all have wayyyyy less hours than any firm in NYC.


Literally none of this is true.

OP, the hours are about what you would expect. 9/10am until 7/8, with plenty of days being longer and a fair amount of weekend work.



I am the poster above, and yes all of it is true. 1. Most people in general in south Florida work 9-5 if not less. 2. you confirmed the other point 9/10 - 7/8 is solid for biglaw and pretty rare in nyc. The top associate in my big South Florida firm billed 2150 last year... that is a lot of hours but that is also the highest biller. Find me a Vault firm in NYC where that is true.

Re: Miami Corporate Hours

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:57 am
by redsox550
Cicero76 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:they sweatshops compared to other places in florida (i.e. 9am-4pm jobs). They all have wayyyyy less hours than any firm in NYC.


Literally none of this is true.

OP, the hours are about what you would expect. 9/10am until 7/8, with plenty of days being longer and a fair amount of weekend work.


All of it is true. People in general in South Florida work 9-5 at the most. 9/10-7-8 is great compared to NYC biglaw. I worked both. Currently at one of the largest South Florida firms and the highest biller billed 2150 last year. Now that's a lot of hours but also the highest biller. Find me a nyc firm where that is true. The highest biller billing 2150 definitely does not = sweatshop

Re: Miami Corporate Hours

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:06 pm
by Anonymous User
OP here. Thank you both - that answers 95% of it. Are all-nighters a thing though at the peak of the deal?

Have prior work experience, and what you describe generally sounds very manageable.

Re: Miami Corporate Hours

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:36 pm
by 1styearlateral
Damn maybe I'll move to Fla.

Re: Miami Corporate Hours

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:52 pm
by redsox550
Anonymous User wrote:OP here. Thank you both - that answers 95% of it. Are all-nighters a thing though at the peak of the deal?

Have prior work experience, and what you describe generally sounds very manageable.


Midnight / 1am nights happen occasionally but rarely. All nighters once or twice a year if you are unlucky

Re: Miami Corporate Hours

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:59 pm
by Anonymous User
2150 is a lot considering how much less you’re making at even GT compared to a NY firm. white and Case is better, but, by 4th year, you’re like a solid 100k (post bonus) behind NY.

Re: Miami Corporate Hours

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:38 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:2150 is a lot considering how much less you’re making at even GT compared to a NY firm. white and Case is better, but, by 4th year, you’re like a solid 100k (post bonus) behind NY.


OP again. Setting aside the tax- and COL-adjusted differential, are junior partners at the elite Florida firms not making more than senior associates in NYC? Thinking of the Florida-based firms with somewhat realistic partnership prospects (GT, HK, even Bilzin or Carlton Fields).

Re: Miami Corporate Hours

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:18 am
by Anonymous User
GT and HK have PPP over $1m, so I doubt junior partners make less than NY 8th year associates. But outside of those two (and Boies and White and Case), I’d assume a junior partner at a Florida office makes like 300k.

Re: Miami Corporate Hours

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:35 am
by 1styearlateral
Anonymous User wrote:GT and HK have PPP over $1m, so I doubt junior partners make less than NY 8th year associates. But outside of those two (and Boies and White and Case), I’d assume a junior partner at a Florida office makes like 300k.

$300k is not bad for 9-5/6 and pretty good weather all year around.

Re: Miami Corporate Hours

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:58 am
by Anonymous User
redsox550 wrote:
Cicero76 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:they sweatshops compared to other places in florida (i.e. 9am-4pm jobs). They all have wayyyyy less hours than any firm in NYC.


Literally none of this is true.

OP, the hours are about what you would expect. 9/10am until 7/8, with plenty of days being longer and a fair amount of weekend work.


All of it is true. People in general in South Florida work 9-5 at the most. 9/10-7-8 is great compared to NYC biglaw. I worked both. Currently at one of the largest South Florida firms and the highest biller billed 2150 last year. Now that's a lot of hours but also the highest biller. Find me a nyc firm where that is true. The highest biller billing 2150 definitely does not = sweatshop


I worked at one of the firms mentioned in OP, and the highest biller in transactional billed well over 2500. Litigation had better hours, but most associates still ended near 2200. It's not necessarily a sweatshop, and it's not necessarily as bad as NY, but the non-FL biglaw firms that have offices in Miami are not 9-5.

Re: Miami Corporate Hours

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:49 pm
by Anonymous User
What's the deal with Akerman? Do they only take laterals now?

Also McDermott. Heard they pay 180k, but no one ever seems to talk about them (Chambers Band 2 FL PE/M&A).

Re: Miami Corporate Hours

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:05 pm
by Anonymous User
McDermott is Band 2 in Florida for M&A... need I say more? Florida is a tiny market. Cravath scale is nice though.

And yeah I think akerman is only hiring laterals.

Re: Miami Corporate Hours

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:47 pm
by redsox550
Anonymous User wrote:2150 is a lot considering how much less you’re making at even GT compared to a NY firm. white and Case is better, but, by 4th year, you’re like a solid 100k (post bonus) behind NY.


One can go back and forth on whether it is a good deal to be living in Miami working biglaw hours for less than Cravath pay... there are arguments to be made on BOTH SIDES. However, the idea that Miami Biglaw is a sweatshop in any way, shape or form compared to NYC biglaw is a false stereotype.

Re: Miami Corporate Hours

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:53 pm
by Anonymous User
Agreed. At my firm, most corp people are in at like 930/10 and out around 730. Some of the tax people leave at like 530 unless they’re needed for deals. Litigation people also leave around 530-6 most days.

None of these hours are even fathomable to NY lawyers.

Re: Miami Corporate Hours

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:52 pm
by Anonymous User
Does anyone find cap markets/project finance work particularly exciting?

Assuming it's the main corporate practice area in Miami (not counting RE).

Re: Miami Corporate Hiring

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:37 am
by Anonymous User
Reviving this thread. how difficult is it for a bilingual v10 junior associate to move to Miami with medium ties? Just want to know if there is much hope.

Re: Miami Corporate Hiring

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:06 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:Reviving this thread. how difficult is it for a bilingual v10 junior associate to move to Miami with medium ties? Just want to know if there is much hope.

You're going to have to be more clear as to what medium ties are to be more helpful. It's definitely easier to lateral as a mid-level given that you haven't really learned much yet depending on how junior you are. That being said, I personally know of at least one V10 associate that lateraled to a big law office in Miami as a third-year and I believe his only tie was that his family lived in Puerto Rico and he wanted to be closer. Hope that helps!

Re: Miami Corporate Hours

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:03 pm
by Anonymous User
Is there a meaningful difference in exit ops between GT/HK/W&C?

Re: Miami Corporate Hours

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:12 am
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:Is there a meaningful difference in exit ops between GT/HK/W&C?


Bumping as I am also curious about this--especially for those of us interested in litigation. Also, what about exit options for BSF?