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Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:44 am
by Anonymous User
Didn't see a thread on this yet and I know some firms have already started sending out info.

Last year's thread here:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=273353

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:50 am
by Anonymous User
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Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:03 pm
by Anonymous User
WilmerHale DC
May 21 - July 27
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Total (27)
Yale - 4
Harvard - 4
Stanford - 3
NYU - 3
GWU -3
UC Berkeley - 2
UVA - 2
Chicago - 1
Columbia - 1
Michigan - 1
Cornell - 1
Georgetown - 1
William & Mary - 1

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:15 pm
by Anonymous User
Gibson Dunn (San Francisco)

Yale (3)
Harvard (2)
Berkeley
Columbia
Cornell
Stanford

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:32 pm
by Graybrow
Interesting addition to this thread. https://abovethelaw.com/2018/01/the-inc ... ate-class/

"The bad news is the data collected by NALP shows this downward trend will continue in 2018. During the most recent on-campus recruitment season, firms extended fewer offers for Summer 2018 positions than they did in 2017. The median number of offers fell 20 percent."

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 3:53 pm
by njkga
Graybrow wrote:Interesting addition to this thread. https://abovethelaw.com/2018/01/the-inc ... ate-class/

"The bad news is the data collected by NALP shows this downward trend will continue in 2018. During the most recent on-campus recruitment season, firms extended fewer offers for Summer 2018 positions than they did in 2017. The median number of offers fell 20 percent."


I saw that last night as I was heading to bed and thought to post it here. I'm glad someone else did, because I forgot.
Might be interesting to go through last year's thread and post last years numbers (or even numbers from the last few years) to compare with this year to see how true it is across the board and for specific firms.

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:10 pm
by Graybrow
njkga wrote:
Graybrow wrote:Interesting addition to this thread. https://abovethelaw.com/2018/01/the-inc ... ate-class/

"The bad news is the data collected by NALP shows this downward trend will continue in 2018. During the most recent on-campus recruitment season, firms extended fewer offers for Summer 2018 positions than they did in 2017. The median number of offers fell 20 percent."


I saw that last night as I was heading to bed and thought to post it here. I'm glad someone else did, because I forgot.
Might be interesting to go through last year's thread and post last years numbers (or even numbers from the last few years) to compare with this year to see how true it is across the board and for specific firms.


I also wonder if pre-OCI hiring plays a part in that. I snagged an offer at my dream firm in July and accepted immediately. The firm would otherwise have had to make a couple offers for that spot (yield and all that). So offers went down even though hiring was the same.

And for what it's worth, this firm/office hired about 15 percent more summers this year than last year, though that's merely an anecdote.

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:39 pm
by mister logical
Graybrow wrote:
njkga wrote:
Graybrow wrote:Interesting addition to this thread. https://abovethelaw.com/2018/01/the-inc ... ate-class/

"The bad news is the data collected by NALP shows this downward trend will continue in 2018. During the most recent on-campus recruitment season, firms extended fewer offers for Summer 2018 positions than they did in 2017. The median number of offers fell 20 percent."


I saw that last night as I was heading to bed and thought to post it here. I'm glad someone else did, because I forgot.
Might be interesting to go through last year's thread and post last years numbers (or even numbers from the last few years) to compare with this year to see how true it is across the board and for specific firms.


I also wonder if pre-OCI hiring plays a part in that. I snagged an offer at my dream firm in July and accepted immediately. The firm would otherwise have had to make a couple offers for that spot (yield and all that). So offers went down even though hiring was the same.

And for what it's worth, this firm/office hired about 15 percent more summers this year than last year, though that's merely an anecdote.


this has always happened though, I know a few people at places like CLS that get pre-OCI offers at places like Skadden and the like, so I don't think that really impacted things.

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:22 pm
by Pomeranian
I was surprised by the report of the 20% decrease in summers. One would think with the economy growing (plus corporate tax cuts, less regulation, etc), there would be rising demand for legal services???

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:41 pm
by hamiltona
Pomeranian wrote:I was surprised by the report of the 20% decrease in summers. One would think with the economy growing (plus corporate tax cuts, less regulation, etc), there would be rising demand for legal services???


FWIW...Have heard, at least for revolving door DC firms, that summer classes decreased (in some cases dramatically) this year because fewer than usual people joined the new administration. But that doesn't account for NYC or any non-DC firms reducing their class sizes.

Edit: accidental anon, don't know how to change it :cry:

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:13 pm
by Anonymous User
So regarding the above article, does that mean that we should be nervous about offer rates going into summer? Or does it just mean that it's going to be harder to get a job, but not impact keeping it?

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:24 pm
by njkga
Anonymous User wrote:So regarding the above article, does that mean that we should be nervous about offer rates going into summer? Or does it just mean that it's going to be harder to get a job, but not impact keeping it?


I don't think anyone can ever know for sure, but I would expect the latter. To the extent that firms are hiring less, they are probably doing so in order to prevent having to reduce their (full-time) offer rate.

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:47 pm
by Graybrow
njkga wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:So regarding the above article, does that mean that we should be nervous about offer rates going into summer? Or does it just mean that it's going to be harder to get a job, but not impact keeping it?


I don't think anyone can ever know for sure, but I would expect the latter. To the extent that firms are hiring less, they are probably doing so in order to prevent having to reduce their (full-time) offer rate.


Definitely agree with this. They do the culling on the recruiting side, not after the summer.

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:56 pm
by sparkytrainer
Graybrow wrote:
njkga wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:So regarding the above article, does that mean that we should be nervous about offer rates going into summer? Or does it just mean that it's going to be harder to get a job, but not impact keeping it?


I don't think anyone can ever know for sure, but I would expect the latter. To the extent that firms are hiring less, they are probably doing so in order to prevent having to reduce their (full-time) offer rate.


Definitely agree with this. They do the culling on the recruiting side, not after the summer.


I mean we have seen this in real time over the past year. Lots of programs getting smaller, and 3L OCI becoming a non-existent thing. Also, we have seen in the last two years specifically a rise of no-offers. Hasn't been dramatic, but it is an increasing trend, along with smaller classes and the complete halt of 3L recruiting.

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:59 pm
by Graybrow
sparkytrainer wrote:
Graybrow wrote:
njkga wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:So regarding the above article, does that mean that we should be nervous about offer rates going into summer? Or does it just mean that it's going to be harder to get a job, but not impact keeping it?


I don't think anyone can ever know for sure, but I would expect the latter. To the extent that firms are hiring less, they are probably doing so in order to prevent having to reduce their (full-time) offer rate.


Definitely agree with this. They do the culling on the recruiting side, not after the summer.


I mean we have seen this in real time over the past year. Lots of programs getting smaller, and 3L OCI becoming a non-existent thing. Also, we have seen in the last two years specifically a rise of no-offers. Hasn't been dramatic, but it is an increasing trend, along with smaller classes and the complete halt of 3L recruiting.


Have we seen that? I feel like I'm relatively present on this site and ATL and I haven't seen much in the way of no-offers. Shoot, even the Skadden slapper got an offer.

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:01 am
by sparkytrainer
Graybrow wrote:
sparkytrainer wrote:
Graybrow wrote:
njkga wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:So regarding the above article, does that mean that we should be nervous about offer rates going into summer? Or does it just mean that it's going to be harder to get a job, but not impact keeping it?


I don't think anyone can ever know for sure, but I would expect the latter. To the extent that firms are hiring less, they are probably doing so in order to prevent having to reduce their (full-time) offer rate.


Definitely agree with this. They do the culling on the recruiting side, not after the summer.


I mean we have seen this in real time over the past year. Lots of programs getting smaller, and 3L OCI becoming a non-existent thing. Also, we have seen in the last two years specifically a rise of no-offers. Hasn't been dramatic, but it is an increasing trend, along with smaller classes and the complete halt of 3L recruiting.


Have we seen that? I feel like I'm relatively present on this site and ATL and I haven't seen much in the way of no-offers. Shoot, even the Skadden slapper got an offer.


I mean I am going off this as someone who saw this happen in real time this year as a summer. In my market, it was unheard of to no-offer someone. Made ATL type stuff. I could count over 10 people in just a handful of firms that were no-offered or cold offered this past summer. My experience might not be representative, but our career services had a talk with the next class at OCI this year about the rise in no-offers.

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:18 am
by Anonymous User
Kirkland & Ellis (Houston)
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Total - 26

Virginia (5)
Georgetown (4)
UTexas (3)
Harvard (2)
Emory (1)
Vanderbilt (1)
U Chicago (1)
U Houston (1)
UCLA (1)
Northwestern (1)
Notre Dame (1)
Tulane (1)
Pepperdine (1)
Columbia (1)
Duke (1)
Michigan (1)


May 21 - July 27

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:56 am
by Graybrow
sparkytrainer wrote:
Graybrow wrote:
sparkytrainer wrote:
Graybrow wrote:
njkga wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:So regarding the above article, does that mean that we should be nervous about offer rates going into summer? Or does it just mean that it's going to be harder to get a job, but not impact keeping it?


I don't think anyone can ever know for sure, but I would expect the latter. To the extent that firms are hiring less, they are probably doing so in order to prevent having to reduce their (full-time) offer rate.


Definitely agree with this. They do the culling on the recruiting side, not after the summer.


I mean we have seen this in real time over the past year. Lots of programs getting smaller, and 3L OCI becoming a non-existent thing. Also, we have seen in the last two years specifically a rise of no-offers. Hasn't been dramatic, but it is an increasing trend, along with smaller classes and the complete halt of 3L recruiting.


Have we seen that? I feel like I'm relatively present on this site and ATL and I haven't seen much in the way of no-offers. Shoot, even the Skadden slapper got an offer.


I mean I am going off this as someone who saw this happen in real time this year as a summer. In my market, it was unheard of to no-offer someone. Made ATL type stuff. I could count over 10 people in just a handful of firms that were no-offered or cold offered this past summer. My experience might not be representative, but our career services had a talk with the next class at OCI this year about the rise in no-offers.


Doesn't surprise me Columbia would fail to be aware of this phenomenon and warn their students. God our career services is incompetent. Would you mind PMing me your market? I want to make sure it's not mine. lol.

Thanks for the info btw.

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:34 am
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:
Pomeranian wrote:I was surprised by the report of the 20% decrease in summers. One would think with the economy growing (plus corporate tax cuts, less regulation, etc), there would be rising demand for legal services???


FWIW...Have heard, at least for revolving door DC firms, that summer classes decreased (in some cases dramatically) this year because fewer than usual people joined the new administration. But that doesn't account for NYC or any non-DC firms reducing their class sizes.

Edit: accidental anon, don't know how to change it :cry:


Anecdotal but my DC firm apparently has a substantially bigger class than last year

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:17 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:Kirkland & Ellis (Houston)
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Total - 26

Virginia (5)
Georgetown (4)
UTexas (3)
Harvard (2)
Emory (1)
Vanderbilt (1)
U Chicago (1)
U Houston (1)
UCLA (1)
Northwestern (1)
Notre Dame (1)
Tulane (1)
Pepperdine (1)
Columbia (1)
Duke (1)
Michigan (1)


May 21 - July 27


anyone have K&E chicago?

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:45 pm
by hamiltona
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Pomeranian wrote:I was surprised by the report of the 20% decrease in summers. One would think with the economy growing (plus corporate tax cuts, less regulation, etc), there would be rising demand for legal services???


FWIW...Have heard, at least for revolving door DC firms, that summer classes decreased (in some cases dramatically) this year because fewer than usual people joined the new administration. But that doesn't account for NYC or any non-DC firms reducing their class sizes.

Edit: accidental anon, don't know how to change it :cry:


Anecdotal but my DC firm apparently has a substantially bigger class than last year


Ah, good to hear! My info was anecdotal as well, coming from current associates at two large DC firms.

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:16 pm
by Anonymous User
Latham (NY)

UVA (7)
NYU (6)
Duke (6)
Fordham (5)
Cornell (4)
Columbia (4)
Georgetown (4)
Michigan (3)
UCLA (2)
Harvard (1)
Stanford (1)
UPenn (1)
UT (1)
BU (1)
Alabama (1)
Brooklyn (1)
Hofstra (1)

Total: 49

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:00 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Pomeranian wrote:I was surprised by the report of the 20% decrease in summers. One would think with the economy growing (plus corporate tax cuts, less regulation, etc), there would be rising demand for legal services???


FWIW...Have heard, at least for revolving door DC firms, that summer classes decreased (in some cases dramatically) this year because fewer than usual people joined the new administration. But that doesn't account for NYC or any non-DC firms reducing their class sizes.

Edit: accidental anon, don't know how to change it :cry:


Anecdotal but my DC firm apparently has a substantially bigger class than last year


Are you at one of the traditional Republican administration feeder firms like Gibson or Jones Day? Anecdotal, but it seemed like those firms were making more offers for DC at my HYS than the traditional Dem firms like Wilmer or A&P. Would make sense too if it were revolving door-driven.

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:12 pm
by Graybrow
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Pomeranian wrote:I was surprised by the report of the 20% decrease in summers. One would think with the economy growing (plus corporate tax cuts, less regulation, etc), there would be rising demand for legal services???


FWIW...Have heard, at least for revolving door DC firms, that summer classes decreased (in some cases dramatically) this year because fewer than usual people joined the new administration. But that doesn't account for NYC or any non-DC firms reducing their class sizes.

Edit: accidental anon, don't know how to change it :cry:


Anecdotal but my DC firm apparently has a substantially bigger class than last year


Are you at one of the traditional Republican administration feeder firms like Gibson or Jones Day? Anecdotal, but it seemed like those firms were making more offers for DC at my HYS than the traditional Dem firms like Wilmer or A&P. Would make sense too if it were revolving door-driven.


You could probably add KE: DC to this since they absorbed Bancroft.

Re: Summer Classes 2018 Edition

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:36 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:
Pomeranian wrote:I was surprised by the report of the 20% decrease in summers. One would think with the economy growing (plus corporate tax cuts, less regulation, etc), there would be rising demand for legal services???


FWIW...Have heard, at least for revolving door DC firms, that summer classes decreased (in some cases dramatically) this year because fewer than usual people joined the new administration. But that doesn't account for NYC or any non-DC firms reducing their class sizes.

Edit: accidental anon, don't know how to change it :cry:

FWIW:

1. I know of one firm that told a classmate they hired 60% of their usual summer class because they're expecting a recession.

2. A DC firm told me they were hiring less this year because more people than they were expecting accepted last year.