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Out of my league firm

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:33 am

Question for people familiar with what goes down in the hiring committee meetings...So I recently had a callback with a firm that is very "out of my league." (V10) :) I'm top 20% at a top 30 law school, no journal, no real work experience before law school, went to an unheard of undergraduate university and majored in fine arts. I would like to believe I am personable and interview well. Not URM. Anyways...the question is...after the callback, is it purely based on how that interview went? Or are my mediocre credentials/work experience going to be brought up?

Sincerely,
Suddenly insecure

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:39 am

Anonymous User wrote:Question for people familiar with what goes down in the hiring committee meetings...So I recently had a callback with a firm that is very "out of my league." (V10) :) I'm top 20% at a top 30 law school, no journal, no real work experience before law school, went to an unheard of undergraduate university and majored in fine arts. I would like to believe I am personable and interview well. Not URM. Anyways...the question is...after the callback, is it purely based on how that interview went? Or are my mediocre credentials/work experience going to be brought up?

Sincerely,
Suddenly insecure

Every firm has its own system so there's no way to answer your question without being on the hiring committee at the firm you interviewed at. You did your best and there's nothing more you can do at this point. Sit back and relax.

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby anono583 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:39 am

You're not smart enough for a V10

User has been outed for anon abuse.

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby jacketyellow » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:43 am

Anonymous User wrote:Question for people familiar with what goes down in the hiring committee meetings...So I recently had a callback with a firm that is very "out of my league." (V10) :) I'm top 20% at a top 30 law school, no journal, no real work experience before law school, went to an unheard of undergraduate university and majored in fine arts. I would like to believe I am personable and interview well. Not URM. Anyways...the question is...after the callback, is it purely based on how that interview went? Or are my mediocre credentials/work experience going to be brought up?

Sincerely,
Suddenly insecure


After the screening interview, the callback is usually about fit. When the committee analyzes possibilities for screener invites, grades are usually an important part of the process. If you get a callback, it usually means that the firm is interested; you have a good personality; and they want to make sure you vibe with members of the firm. I daresay that grades do not matter much at this point in the game. I was median at a top 20 school, got a screener at a very good firm, got a callback, and got the only offer for that practice group. My grades definitely were not what the firm usually goes for. Be confident. :D

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:46 am

jacketyellow wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Question for people familiar with what goes down in the hiring committee meetings...So I recently had a callback with a firm that is very "out of my league." (V10) :) I'm top 20% at a top 30 law school, no journal, no real work experience before law school, went to an unheard of undergraduate university and majored in fine arts. I would like to believe I am personable and interview well. Not URM. Anyways...the question is...after the callback, is it purely based on how that interview went? Or are my mediocre credentials/work experience going to be brought up?

Sincerely,
Suddenly insecure


After the screening interview, the callback is usually about fit. When the committee analyzes possibilities for screener invites, grades are usually an important part of the process. If you get a callback, it usually means that the firm is interested; you have a good personality; and they want to make sure you vibe with members of the firm. I daresay that grades do not matter much at this point in the game. I was median at a top 20 school, got a screener at a very good firm, got a callback, and got the only offer for that practice group. My grades definitely were not what the firm usually goes for. Be confident. :D

This is probably true for a lot of firms but not all v10. For example, Simpson has a numeric evaluation system where sub-par grades will hurt you. But regardless of what their system is, there's nothing you can do at this point.

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:31 am

jacketyellow wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Question for people familiar with what goes down in the hiring committee meetings...So I recently had a callback with a firm that is very "out of my league." (V10) :) I'm top 20% at a top 30 law school, no journal, no real work experience before law school, went to an unheard of undergraduate university and majored in fine arts. I would like to believe I am personable and interview well. Not URM. Anyways...the question is...after the callback, is it purely based on how that interview went? Or are my mediocre credentials/work experience going to be brought up?

Sincerely,
Suddenly insecure


After the screening interview, the callback is usually about fit. When the committee analyzes possibilities for screener invites, grades are usually an important part of the process. If you get a callback, it usually means that the firm is interested; you have a good personality; and they want to make sure you vibe with members of the firm. I daresay that grades do not matter much at this point in the game. I was median at a top 20 school, got a screener at a very good firm, got a callback, and got the only offer for that practice group. My grades definitely were not what the firm usually goes for. Be confident. :D



So I have a related question about a firm that is really not out of my league. I had a callback, and two days later was given a call by one of the lawyers who interviewed me telling me how much he enjoyed meeting me and how impressed he was and blah blah the whole schtick, and offering me to join the firm. That was followed up by and offer letter from the recruiting dept, and several other congratulatory emails from two other lawyers I had met with. The following day, I got another call from the recruiting department telling me it was all a mistake, that I did not have an offer, and that my application was no longer under consideration, and good luck.

I have other offers from other similar firms ("better" firms arguably) so I'm trying to figure out what's going on. If it's "fit" then why the enthusiastic show of support from the lawyers at the firm in the first place? It would have been better for my own sanity if they just told me "no, sorry" after the callback - that at least would have been understandable.

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby delusional » Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:52 am

Anonymous User wrote:
jacketyellow wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Question for people familiar with what goes down in the hiring committee meetings...So I recently had a callback with a firm that is very "out of my league." (V10) :) I'm top 20% at a top 30 law school, no journal, no real work experience before law school, went to an unheard of undergraduate university and majored in fine arts. I would like to believe I am personable and interview well. Not URM. Anyways...the question is...after the callback, is it purely based on how that interview went? Or are my mediocre credentials/work experience going to be brought up?

Sincerely,
Suddenly insecure


After the screening interview, the callback is usually about fit. When the committee analyzes possibilities for screener invites, grades are usually an important part of the process. If you get a callback, it usually means that the firm is interested; you have a good personality; and they want to make sure you vibe with members of the firm. I daresay that grades do not matter much at this point in the game. I was median at a top 20 school, got a screener at a very good firm, got a callback, and got the only offer for that practice group. My grades definitely were not what the firm usually goes for. Be confident. :D



So I have a related question about a firm that is really not out of my league. I had a callback, and two days later was given a call by one of the lawyers who interviewed me telling me how much he enjoyed meeting me and how impressed he was and blah blah the whole schtick, and offering me to join the firm. That was followed up by and offer letter from the recruiting dept, and several other congratulatory emails from two other lawyers I had met with. The following day, I got another call from the recruiting department telling me it was all a mistake, that I did not have an offer, and that my application was no longer under consideration, and good luck.

I have other offers from other similar firms ("better" firms arguably) so I'm trying to figure out what's going on. If it's "fit" then why the enthusiastic show of support from the lawyers at the firm in the first place? It would have been better for my own sanity if they just told me "no, sorry" after the callback - that at least would have been understandable.

If I had to guess I would say the offer itself was not a mistake but they miscalculated their acceptance rate or forgot to account for a different acceptance. They obviously couldn't withdraw their offer so they pretended it was a mistake.

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby cron1834 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:01 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
jacketyellow wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Question for people familiar with what goes down in the hiring committee meetings...So I recently had a callback with a firm that is very "out of my league." (V10) :) I'm top 20% at a top 30 law school, no journal, no real work experience before law school, went to an unheard of undergraduate university and majored in fine arts. I would like to believe I am personable and interview well. Not URM. Anyways...the question is...after the callback, is it purely based on how that interview went? Or are my mediocre credentials/work experience going to be brought up?

Sincerely,
Suddenly insecure


After the screening interview, the callback is usually about fit. When the committee analyzes possibilities for screener invites, grades are usually an important part of the process. If you get a callback, it usually means that the firm is interested; you have a good personality; and they want to make sure you vibe with members of the firm. I daresay that grades do not matter much at this point in the game. I was median at a top 20 school, got a screener at a very good firm, got a callback, and got the only offer for that practice group. My grades definitely were not what the firm usually goes for. Be confident. :D



So I have a related question about a firm that is really not out of my league. I had a callback, and two days later was given a call by one of the lawyers who interviewed me telling me how much he enjoyed meeting me and how impressed he was and blah blah the whole schtick, and offering me to join the firm. That was followed up by and offer letter from the recruiting dept, and several other congratulatory emails from two other lawyers I had met with. The following day, I got another call from the recruiting department telling me it was all a mistake, that I did not have an offer, and that my application was no longer under consideration, and good luck.

I have other offers from other similar firms ("better" firms arguably) so I'm trying to figure out what's going on. If it's "fit" then why the enthusiastic show of support from the lawyers at the firm in the first place? It would have been better for my own sanity if they just told me "no, sorry" after the callback - that at least would have been understandable.

That's terrible behavior. What an asshole firm.

I'm glad you have other offers.

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby cavalier1138 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:05 pm

Anonymous User wrote:So I have a related question about a firm that is really not out of my league. I had a callback, and two days later was given a call by one of the lawyers who interviewed me telling me how much he enjoyed meeting me and how impressed he was and blah blah the whole schtick, and offering me to join the firm. That was followed up by and offer letter from the recruiting dept, and several other congratulatory emails from two other lawyers I had met with. The following day, I got another call from the recruiting department telling me it was all a mistake, that I did not have an offer, and that my application was no longer under consideration, and good luck.

I have other offers from other similar firms ("better" firms arguably) so I'm trying to figure out what's going on. If it's "fit" then why the enthusiastic show of support from the lawyers at the firm in the first place? It would have been better for my own sanity if they just told me "no, sorry" after the callback - that at least would have been understandable.


That is fucking awful.

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:09 pm

It is fucking awful, and I'm sorry that happened.

(I would bet it was a situation where the people who called you to say you were great and welcome to the firm were given a list of people who were hired to contact, and didn't actually know the mistake had been made either, and probably say all those things to everyone who gets hired, but it's still crappy.)

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby texas1100 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:10 pm

Out this firm.

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby Lesion of Doom » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:10 pm

That story above might win the Most Asshole Action: Firm award for this cycle.

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:25 pm

texas1100 wrote:Out this firm.

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby sparkytrainer » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:46 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
texas1100 wrote:Out this firm.


You should send this to above the law.

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby darlenealderson » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:02 pm

sparkytrainer wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
texas1100 wrote:Out this firm.


You should send this to above the law.


Honestly. This is the ultimate recruiting horror story from a student's perspective (imagine if this was your one and only offer and it got yanked from you like that). The firm definitely needs to be outed.

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:14 pm

I'm not going to name the firm, because if I'm the only person it happened to at this firm, that identifies me as well. Sorry.

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby sparkytrainer » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:17 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I'm not going to name the firm, because if I'm the only person it happened to at this firm, that identifies me as well. Sorry.


We understand that, but once you have an offer elsewhere, you should at least consider it for future students. It is important for them to know.

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:26 pm

sparkytrainer wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I'm not going to name the firm, because if I'm the only person it happened to at this firm, that identifies me as well. Sorry.


We understand that, but once you have an offer elsewhere, you should at least consider it for future students. It is important for them to know.


I appreciate that, and I did tip AtL, but that's the best I can do. Hope you understand.

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby mganteater » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:40 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
sparkytrainer wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I'm not going to name the firm, because if I'm the only person it happened to at this firm, that identifies me as well. Sorry.


We understand that, but once you have an offer elsewhere, you should at least consider it for future students. It is important for them to know.


I appreciate that, and I did tip AtL, but that's the best I can do. Hope you understand.


Can you PM the firm? I had something nearly identical happen to me in the SoCal market

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:47 pm

mganteater wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
sparkytrainer wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I'm not going to name the firm, because if I'm the only person it happened to at this firm, that identifies me as well. Sorry.


We understand that, but once you have an offer elsewhere, you should at least consider it for future students. It is important for them to know.


I appreciate that, and I did tip AtL, but that's the best I can do. Hope you understand.


Can you PM the firm? I had something nearly identical happen to me in the SoCal market


No, but I can tell you it's a NY firm. Sorry that it happened to you as well - hope you have some other offers to choose from!

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:45 pm

Could you give the approximate vault ranking of firm? V10, etc?

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby rpupkin » Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:32 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Could you give the approximate vault ranking of firm? V10, etc?

Why does this matter, anon?

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:56 pm

The anon in question has said they don't want to give any more identifying information, so people need to stop asking.

(I'm also not sure how one fuck-up, which is admittedly awful for the person involved, says much about working at this firm that people need to know to make decisions about employment, but feel free to enlighten me.)

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby RaceJudicata » Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:20 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:The anon in question has said they don't want to give any more identifying information, so people need to stop asking.

(I'm also not sure how one fuck-up, which is admittedly awful for the person involved, says much about working at this firm that people need to know to make decisions about employment, but feel free to enlighten me.)


Yes, exactly. This sounds like a clerical error of sorts. Would suck to be on the receiving end of it... but I sorta doubt there were bad motives at play.

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Re: Out of my league firm

Postby rpupkin » Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:24 pm

RaceJudicata wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:The anon in question has said they don't want to give any more identifying information, so people need to stop asking.

(I'm also not sure how one fuck-up, which is admittedly awful for the person involved, says much about working at this firm that people need to know to make decisions about employment, but feel free to enlighten me.)


Yes, exactly. This sounds like a clerical error of sorts. Would suck to be on the receiving end of it... but I sorta doubt there were bad motives at play.

I'm not an "out the firm!" fan, but here's the thing: if there was indeed a clerical error, then the firm sucks for putting the cost of that error on the applicant instead of on itself. Basically, once that offer went out, the firm should have sucked it up and stood by its offer, even if the offer was the result of a mistake.




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