Firms with high no-offer rates Forum

A. Nony Mouse · Post by **A. Nony Mouse** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 7:19 am

It's July 22. They normally make offers by now??

TLSModBot · Post by **TLSModBot** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:46 am

A. Nony Mouse wrote:It's July 22. They normally make offers by now??

Yeah, some summer programs seem to be ending a little earlier this year so it wouldn't surprise me if we began to see reports on this already (although I think the majority of offer rate data/anecdata will come in the next two weeks or so)

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:41 am

OP here. Troutman's program ended July 14. Programs in Atlanta tend to start early and they are only 9 weeks.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:58 am

Yikes. Were the no offers 1Ls or 2Ls?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:59 am

is it common for over a fourth of a SA class to get no offered?

that's a little scary

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:06 am

Op again. It was a mix of 1Ls and 2Ls but I don't know the percentages.

No it's not common. That's why it needs to be publicized when a firm does it. People shouldn't go to Troutman that have comparable options.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:20 am

So Troutman no offered 7 and had the AMLaw "highest biller of the year"? That seems not great

A. Nony Mouse · Post by **A. Nony Mouse** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:34 am

Anonymous User wrote:OP here. Troutman's program ended July 14. Programs in Atlanta tend to start early and they are only 9 weeks.

Good to know. Thanks for the explanation.

Big Red · Post by **Big Red** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:49 am

They have to report this stuff on NALP, but yes that is a huge number. They apparently only no offered 2 last year, but if you look at NALP it seems they actually right sized the class to what they were looking for:

https://www.nalpdirectory.com/employer_ ... tman%22%7D

Sorry to hear that though, hope you land on your feet

barkschool · Post by **barkschool** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:11 pm

Why did they take on so many summers????

grades?? · Post by **grades??** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:16 pm

This is not a great sign to start the offer percentages out on.

favabeansoup · Post by **favabeansoup** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:21 pm

Sucks. Good on you for outing before OCI starts.

Hiring a larger summer class from previous years then no offering that many is a bad sign. People should avoid.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:48 pm

I work at Troutman in the ATL office. We gave offers to 22/25 summers according to an email sent out by recruiting. I have no idea where OP got 7.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:53 pm

I work at Troutman in the ATL office. We gave offers to 22/25 summers according to an email sent out by recruiting. I have no idea where OP got 7.

Thank you for this. Very interested in this firm and was dismayed by the 7 no-offers.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:06 am

obviously K&L Gates has a penchant for no-offering a decent number of perfectly good summers. it's particularly bad in its flagship pittsburgh office.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:51 am

Anonymous User wrote:obviously K&L Gates has a penchant for no-offering a decent number of perfectly good summers. it's particularly bad in its flagship pittsburgh office.

How's the DC office? According to NALP they gave 10/11 offers in 2016. Do they normally no-offer more summers than that?

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:51 am

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:29 am

Bryan cave

GoneSouth · Post by **GoneSouth** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:29 am

Anonymous User wrote:I work at Troutman in the ATL office. We gave offers to 22/25 summers according to an email sent out by recruiting. I have no idea where OP got 7.

It's not like three no-offers is much better...

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Sat Jul 29, 2017 1:24 pm

OP here. I deleted the original post because although I heard the number 7 from a Troutman summer, the later anon says recruiting said there were only 3. Regardless this firm no offers people every summer (2 last year). They must intentionally hire more than they expect to take. Either that or they are bad at projecting and don't place much value on maintaining a 100% offer rate. Either way they are a firm that should be avoided.

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