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Anyone knows about Shotkin Zhang & Associates - NY?

Post by Anonymous User » Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:29 pm

Is it legit?
Anyone knows anything about this law firm?

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Post by ClubberLang » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:32 pm

Defintely legit- one of NYC mosts prestigous firm.

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Post by Anonymous User » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:55 pm

ClubberLang wrote:Defintely legit- one of NYC mosts prestigous firm.
I don't think we are talking about the same firm. The firm's website looks pretty weird (like a college student's work) and it has a few associates.

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Post by RaceJudicata » Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:13 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
ClubberLang wrote:Defintely legit- one of NYC mosts prestigous firm.
I don't think we are talking about the same firm. The firm's website looks pretty weird (like a college student's work) and it has a few associates.
Ya I noticed that also. Idk why they haven't updated website much, but agree w clubber. Top firm.

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Post by OneShot2009 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:21 pm

....their website touts their ability to handle "Department of Sanitation tickets." This has to be a joke, right?
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Post by ClubberLang » Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:27 pm

You can tell it's legit because all the lawyers wear GOLD nametags in their photos.

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Post by notgreat » Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:29 pm

ClubberLang wrote:You can tell it's legit because all the lawyers wear GOLD nametags in their photos.
And Warren Graham, Esq. signed his picture. You don't sign your picture unless you are elite and proud.

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Post by clshopeful » Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:08 pm

The website.. the picture of their office... the JFK quote on the wall.. looks like a Chinese scam setup tbh, looking to take 10k retainers and then disappear

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Post by kellyfrost » Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:54 pm

Ting Shao, Esq. is pretty hot.
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Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:02 am

ClubberLang wrote:You can tell it's legit because all the lawyers wear GOLD nametags in their photos.
OP. Seriously, please stop being sarcastic. It's important to me!
So this firm sounds like a scam?

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Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:04 am

RaceJudicata wrote:
Ya I noticed that also. Idk why they haven't updated website much, but agree w clubber. Top firm.

SERIOUSLY?

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Post by LaLiLuLeLo » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:16 am

Old white men and exclusively young, Asian women associates is the most prestigious thing I've seen.

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Post by perfunctory » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:42 am

altho the website looks shitty, the main partner went to harvard law. second attorney went to fordham and was a partner for a big firm. to be honest, they do look really shitty but who knows - they may do good work?
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Post by ClubberLang » Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:24 am

Anonymous User wrote:altho the website looks shitty, the main partner went to harvard law. second attorney went to fordham and was a partner for a big firm. to be honest, they do look really shitty but who knows - they may do good work?
In all seriousness, this is the worst attorney website I've ever seen. I'd be pretty leery of a firm that puts together something that shoddy. Also, they make some pretty outrageous claims, like "Our legal team is specialized in dealing with various criminal cases in all 50 states in the US." They only have like 5 lawyers so how could they possibly be "specialized" in dealing with criminal cases in all 50 states? Maybe they are competent attorneys, but the website certainly does not give that impression.

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Post by PeanutsNJam » Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:50 am

Anonymous User wrote:the main partner went to harvard law
This is in no way a guarantee that the main (name?) partner is a good or successful lawyer.

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Post by RaceJudicata » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:01 am

Antonio, from what I hear, is the real rainmaker.

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Post by SFSpartan » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:17 pm

Only the most prestigious firms were founded by Jewish Americans and Chinese Americans.

For real, though, this is a scam. What law firm shares offices with a travel agency, an accounting firm, a real estate broker, and an insurance agency?

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Post by lawlorbust » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:29 am

SFSpartan wrote:Only the most prestigious firms were founded by Jewish Americans and Chinese Americans.
Exhibit 1: Wachtell, Lin & Tong

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Post by delusional » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:31 pm

ITT: Socially awkward Wiley Rein associates partake in some rollicking jest.

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Post by Barrred » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:48 pm

The photos on their "Professionals" page look like they were pulled either from a sex offender registry or a site about missing persons/victims of human trafficking.

That said, I heard that they "believe [they] are obligated to promptly provide [their] advice and judgment to every issue the clients are concerned to." Seems legit.

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Post by pancakes3 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:58 pm

their website reads as an MPRE problem re: rule 5.4

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Post by Pokemon » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:06 pm

Op, this firm is actually not bad. Obviously not vault ranked but probably a good place to get experience as a junior.

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Post by favabeansoup » Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:34 am

Confirmed Chinese immigration/money laundering scam? I can buy a better website design for $100.

Can we get some NY people to go in person and scope it out?

Will start a go fund me towards student loans for person who goes and records interactions.

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Post by Anonymous User » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:22 pm

Got a call for an interview.

I researched this firm, found this thread.

Got called in for a second interview, got offered a job, and against my better judgment, I accepted a job here.

Worst decision ever.
Lots of RED flags.

Here are just some of them:
1. Zero training or orientation.
2. No westlaw/Lexis Nexis/Bloomberg Law access. They legit tell you to 'google it'.
3. No letter/document templates
4. All employment contracts are purely in Chinese. When I asked for an English copy, they said they'd read the terms to me. I refused to sign it unless it was in English. They legit put the contract translation into 'Google Translate' and gave me a really poorly translated contract.
5. We have to eat lunch at our desk. At all times.
6. I worked 12 hour days. Monday through Saturday.
7. They pay you as an I.C.
8. They make you sign in and out of the office when you go to the restroom.
9. They don't have office chairs. . . The entire time you're working, you're sitting on folding picnic chairs.
10. The entire office support staff barely speaks English.
11. None of my higher ups or supervisors were NYS Bar admitted attorneys.
12. They make you stand up and bow to the Asian partners when they walk in the office every morning. (Yeah, I didn't do this because that's some weird shit and got spoken to several times in regards to it.)

Note that none of the above items were listed in the employment contract but the more I type about my experience, the more dumb I feel for staying more than my first initial day.

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Post by pancakes3 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:39 pm

amazing.

are you the OP?
what's the substantive legal work that you do?
how many partners/associates?
is Ting Shao, Esq. single?

Seriously? What are you waiting for?

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