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2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:22 am
by monkeybaby5888
Let's get this party started.

Provide updates for interviews, callbacks, offers.

Ask questions about job fairs, minority fairs, OCI, mass mailing, etc.

Previous threads:

2016
2015
2014
2013

The Texas 100 (Texas Lawyer 2016)

2017 Best Firms in Texas (Vault)
1. Baker Botts
2. Vinson & Elkins
3. Susman Godfrey
4. Norton Rose Fulbright
5. Latham & Watkins
6. Jones Day
7. Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld
8. Haynes & Boone
9. Andrews Kurth Kenyon
10. Weil, Gotshal & Manges
11. Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher
12. Bracewell
13. Locke Lord
14. Sidley Austin
15. Thompson & Knight
16. Jackson Walker
17. King & Spalding
18. Beck Redden
19. Winstead
20. McKool Smith
21. Baker & Hostetler
22. Gardere Wynne Sewell
23. Mayer Brown
24. Porter Hedges
25. Strasburger & Price
26. Gibbs & Bruns
27. Hunton & Williams
28. Yetter Coleman
29. Kelly Hart & Hallman
30. Brewer, Attorneys & Counselors

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:00 pm
by AFS
As a note, Beirne Maynard and Parsons no longer exists. I think most of the partners who were there went to Akerman.

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:50 pm
by Neff
FYI, the first 100 largest firms list is very outdated -- many of the firms on there have are defunct/merged. And the second list is missing the many out-of-state firms that have come in (esp to Houston) and taken big chunks out of local shops like BB, V&E, and NRF.


monkeybaby5888 wrote:Let's get this party started.

Provide updates for interviews, callbacks, offers.

Ask questions about job fairs, minority fairs, OCI, mass mailing, etc.

Previous threads:

2016
2015
2014
2013

Largest Firms in Texas (Texas Lawyer)
1. Akin Gump
2. Fulbright & Jaworski
3. Vinson & Elkins
4. Baker Botts
5. Jenkens & Gilchrist
6. Haynes & Boone
7. Locke Liddell & Sapp
8. Andrews & Kurth
9. Thompson & Knight
10. Bracewell & Patterson
11. Winstead Sechrest & Minick
12. Jackson Walker
13. Gardere Wynne Sewell
14. Strasburger & Price
15. Jones Day
16. Brown McCarroll
17. Hughes & Luce
18. Godwin Gruber
19. Weil, Gotshal & Manges
20. Clark, Thomas & Winters
21. Beirne, Maynard & Parsons
22. Thompson, Coe, Cousins & Irons
23. Chamberlain Hrdlicka White Williams & Martin
24. Cantey & Hanger
25. Cox & Smith
26. Munsch Hardt Kopf & Harr
27. Carrington, Coleman, Sloman & Blumenthal
28. Linebarger Goggan Blair & Sampson
29. Porter & Hedges
30. Kelly, Hart & Hallman


2017 Best Firms in Texas (Vault)
1. Baker Botts
2. Vinson & Elkins
3. Susman Godfrey
4. Norton Rose Fulbright
5. Latham & Watkins
6. Jones Day
7. Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld
8. Haynes & Boone
9. Andrews Kurth Kenyon
10. Weil, Gotshal & Manges
11. Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher
12. Bracewell
13. Locke Lord
14. Sidley Austin
15. Thompson & Knight
16. Jackson Walker
17. King & Spalding
18. Beck Redden
19. Winstead
20. McKool Smith
21. Baker & Hostetler
22. Gardere Wynne Sewell
23. Mayer Brown
24. Porter Hedges
25. Strasburger & Price
26. Gibbs & Bruns
27. Hunton & Williams
28. Yetter Coleman
29. Kelly Hart & Hallman
30. Brewer, Attorneys & Counselors

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:18 pm
by Anonymous User
Any insight on the best litigation practices in Dallas/Houston?

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:49 am
by monkeybaby5888
Neff wrote:FYI, the first 100 largest firms list is very outdated -- many of the firms on there have are defunct/merged. And the second list is missing the many out-of-state firms that have come in (esp to Houston) and taken big chunks out of local shops like BB, V&E, and NRF.



Yeah, these aren't all inclusive. Just some stuff online for quick reference, I went ahead and removed the "Texas Lawyers" list....it is too outdated to be useful. Any suggestions on where to find a better list?

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:42 am
by favabeansoup
http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/tx/TX-Top100-Charts-0816.pdf


Still a little outdated by like ~2 ish years but I like this lists a lot. Breaks it down by specific office numbers as well.

Some firms have gotten a lot bigger since, others have come in, but I think it's mostly accurate.

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:43 am
by monkeybaby5888
favabeansoup wrote:http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/tx/TX-Top100-Charts-0816.pdf


Still a little outdated by like ~2 ish years but I like this lists a lot. Breaks it down by specific office numbers as well.

Some firms have gotten a lot bigger since, others have come in, but I think it's mostly accurate.


Thanks! I added this to the first post. :D

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:53 pm
by Anonymous User
http://www.vault.com/company-rankings/l ... sRankID=14

Updated Texas Vault rankings released today.

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:08 pm
by nothingtosee
Vault is just not helpful for Texas.

No one is really choosing between V&E/BB and Susman - they are completely different beasts.

Check out Chambers and Partners for practice group rankings:

It's not perfect, but it's so much better than Vault.

Here's their Corporate/M&A list; you should check whatever you're interested in

https://www.chambersandpartners.com/132 ... torial/5/1

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:07 pm
by Anonymous User
Does anyone know when law review/write-on results come out? Don't want to apply broadly until I know.

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:02 am
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone know when law review/write-on results come out? Don't want to apply broadly until I know.


That is based solely on your school and every school is different. It is probably on the instructions....

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:09 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone know when law review/write-on results come out? Don't want to apply broadly until I know.


If you're at UT, should be first week of July and presumably before the OCI bid date deadline. TLR will make offers first, then other journals follow a couple days later.

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:00 pm
by BigZuck
Tagging to potentially offer advice, but mostly for the egregious abuse of the anonymous posting feature.

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:16 am
by thisiswater
smu is first week of july too. you'll get a phone call from law review if you make that one, no clue on the others

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:55 am
by Roy McAvoy
thisiswater wrote:smu is first week of july too. you'll get a phone call from law review if you make that one, no clue on the others



I believe the other journals call as well.

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:53 pm
by Anonymous User
Is anyone else here doing UT's New York Job Fair? I applied and got 5 interviews but I'm looking at the cost of flights and hotels and wondering if it's better to just wait for OCI and bid there.

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:20 pm
by StylinNProfilin
UT Grad who did the NY Job Fair. Definitely think its worth it if you have any interest in New York. Not much competition compared to Regular OCI (only ~40 students attended my year). I got 7 interviews and landed 3 callbacks with around median grades. Welcome to PM me if you want specifics regarding various firms.

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:41 pm
by BigZuck
Yeah I think it's definitely worth it if you have any interest at all in NY and probably worth it even if you don't just to get the pre-OCI experience.

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:42 pm
by cannibal ox
BigZuck wrote:Yeah I think it's definitely worth it if you have any interest at all in NY and probably worth it even if you don't just to get the pre-OCI experience.


Co-sign to all of this.

Do it.

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:35 pm
by Hikikomorist
cannibal ox wrote:
BigZuck wrote:Yeah I think it's definitely worth it if you have any interest at all in NY and probably worth it even if you don't just to get the pre-OCI experience.


Co-sign to all of this.

Do it.

Unless you'd rather be unemployed than work in NYC, I'd agree.

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:37 pm
by Anonymous User
1. Skadden
2. Latham
3. Gibson Dunn (Houston)
4. Norton Rose
5. Cooley
6. Jones Day
7. Orrick
8. Pillsbury
9. Hunton & Williams
10. Hogan Lovells
11. Perkins Coie
12. Winston & Strawn
13. Fox Rothschild
14. Wilson Sonsini
15. Snell & Wilmer
16. Knobbe
17. Venable
18. Polsinelli
19. Rutan & Tucker
20. Sidley NYC
21. Venable NYC
22. White & Case NYC
23. Alston & Bird NYC
24. Baker & Hostetler NYC
25. Baker & McKenzie NYC
26. Baker Botts NYC
27. Brown Rudnick NYC
28. Fish & Richardson NYC
29. Gibson Dunn NYC
30. Kirkland NYC
31. Shearman & Sterling

Looking for advice on who to bid high/low.
Not terribly concerned with being too aggressive/striking out, just looking for the right ordering advice here to reduce wasted bids/pick up as many interviews as I can

-sock

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:30 pm
by favabeansoup
Anonymous User wrote:1. Skadden
2. Latham
3. Gibson Dunn (Houston)
4. Norton Rose
5. Cooley
6. Jones Day
7. Orrick
8. Pillsbury
9. Hunton & Williams
10. Hogan Lovells
11. Perkins Coie
12. Winston & Strawn
13. Fox Rothschild
14. Wilson Sonsini
15. Snell & Wilmer
16. Knobbe
17. Venable
18. Polsinelli
19. Rutan & Tucker
20. Sidley NYC
21. Venable NYC
22. White & Case NYC
23. Alston & Bird NYC
24. Baker & Hostetler NYC
25. Baker & McKenzie NYC
26. Baker Botts NYC
27. Brown Rudnick NYC
28. Fish & Richardson NYC
29. Gibson Dunn NYC
30. Kirkland NYC
31. Shearman & Sterling

Looking for advice on who to bid high/low.
Not terribly concerned with being too aggressive/striking out, just looking for the right ordering advice here to reduce wasted bids/pick up as many interviews as I can

-sock


Need more information on your GPA and offices of some of these firms (a few of them interview for more than one).

Edit: what I mean is right now you are all over the board. Dallas, California, Houston, New York.

Where are you actually trying to work and what your GPA will be helpful.

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:39 pm
by Anonymous User
favabeansoup wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:1. Skadden
2. Latham
3. Gibson Dunn (Houston)
4. Norton Rose
5. Cooley
6. Jones Day
7. Orrick
8. Pillsbury
9. Hunton & Williams
10. Hogan Lovells
11. Perkins Coie
12. Winston & Strawn
13. Fox Rothschild
14. Wilson Sonsini
15. Snell & Wilmer
16. Knobbe
17. Venable
18. Polsinelli
19. Rutan & Tucker
20. Sidley NYC
21. Venable NYC
22. White & Case NYC
23. Alston & Bird NYC
24. Baker & Hostetler NYC
25. Baker & McKenzie NYC
26. Baker Botts NYC
27. Brown Rudnick NYC
28. Fish & Richardson NYC
29. Gibson Dunn NYC
30. Kirkland NYC
31. Shearman & Sterling

Looking for advice on who to bid high/low.
Not terribly concerned with being too aggressive/striking out, just looking for the right ordering advice here to reduce wasted bids/pick up as many interviews as I can

-sock


Need more information on your GPA and offices of some of these firms (a few of them interview for more than one).

Just wondering if you'd be able to give the relative desirability amongst students/how high one needs to bid certain firms to get them via lottery. I have a fair sense of GPA requirements and I have a fair sense on which ones of these will be unlikely but I'd like to interview at them if I can all the same. I've specified most of the ones that have multiple slots in OCI. (I didn't specify firms like Norton Rose & Jones Day because they just have one entry for all offices vs. firms like Sidley who has a dedicated Dallas/Houston/NYC/etc.)

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:44 am
by Anonymous User
Any advice for OOS UT student - 3.54 gpa. Assuming I should target Houston? What would be a safe top 5-10 firms?

Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)

Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 2:22 am
by cannibal ox
Anonymous User wrote:Any advice for OOS UT student - 3.54 gpa. Assuming I should target Houston? What would be a safe top 5-10 firms?


Do the NYC job fair. Target the offices with the largest class sizes (check NALP). Mass mail your ass off.

That's not saying your GPA is bad. It's good. But no one is safe.