Columbia EIP 2017 Forum

[Anonymous User]

What was the strike out rate for 2016? I saw participation rate was 91%, what % received an offer out of EIP?

[TheoO]

Hoping to get some help cutting down this bid list.

3.0x GPA, so I am obviously worried about striking out. I'm Asian American (not sure if URM for biglaw purposes?) and have some irrelevant WE. Everything is NYC.

Bro, this bid list is terrifying to look at. Like, this bid list could totally screw you. It's WAY too tight. Why is Ropes and Gray bid at 7 when the FFB last year is 6? Unless the firm now has more interview slots than it did last year, a firm will never go down on the FFB list.

You need at least 3 spaces between the FFB and your bid. If I were you, I'd aim for 4 or 5 spaces. Your number one priority should be getting as many interviews as possible. You should go through the data and see what firms have the highest screener to callback ratios, and callback to offer ratios. Use that as a way to narrow down your list.

I would start but cutting Weil and Ropes. That would give your FFB some breathing room, and those firms are unlikely to offer a CB to someone with your grades regardless (no offense).

Rustyburger and jbagel, thanks for the feedback! I agree it's definitely too tight and I needed help picking the right firms to remove. I'll start with Weil and Ropes. Should I cut Sidley as well? They gave 63% of their offers last year to non-stone or transfer students, but they are also ranked so high on Vault that I imagine most of those offers were to median and above grades (as mentioned, I'm 3.0x). That would also move up my entire list.

Sidley's more realistic than Weil or Ropes. If you have a good reason for keeping the firm, I'd consider it a reach and leave it. I'd also cut Jones Day though.

FWIW, Sidley was one of the firms that asked Petal to call all offer recipients because their yield was way lower than what they expected. Personally, I wouldn't read too much into it, but some posters seem to think those firms will make more offers this year around.

So far I've seen that Sidley and PW made those calls. What other firms did that?

Latham and Weil have in the past two years also.

[Anonymous User]

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[Anonymous User]

What does "allows multiple interviews" mean on the spreadsheet. At first I thought it meant if a firm has a DC and NY office you can bid to both, but now I see even firms with only one bidding office are checked as "allowing multiple interviews".

[Anonymous User]

Need some advice on a bid list

Transferring into CLS from T40 w/ ~3.7 GPA, no news on LR/journal yet, non-URM, 4 years work experience. Looking at NY, TX (have ties) & LA (no ties) mostly for corporate but also included some lit options.

Any help would be massively appreciated!

1 White & Case – NY (5)
2 Morrison & Foerster – NY (5)
3 Milbank Tweed – NY (6)
4 Paul Weiss – NY (9)
5 Skadden – NY (10)
6 Davis Polk – NY (11)
7 Latham & Watkins – NY (13)
8 Sullivan & Cromwell - NY (10)
9 Akin Gump – NY (11)
10 Cravath – NY (14)
11 Covington - NY (16)
12 Simpson Thacher – NY (22)
13 King & Spalding – NY (15)
14 Arnold & Porter – NY (26)
15 Gibson Dunn – Dallas (30)
16 Vinson & Elkins – Houston (no failed bid for the rest)
17 Baker Botts - Houston
18 Baker & McKenzie - Houston
19 Jones Day - Houston
20 Kirkland & Ellis - NY
21 Akin Gump - LA
22 Foley & Lardner - LA
23 Kirkland & Ellis - LA
24 Baker & Hostetler - Houston
25 Hunton & Williams - Houston
26 King & Spalding - Houston
27 Willkie Farr - Houston
28 Haynes & Boone - Houston
29 Norton Rose Fulbright - Houston
30 DLA Piper - LA

Thanks!

[Anonymous User]

^ bump

[FascinatedWanderer]

The top part of the bidlist might be a little bit tight. You could maybe fix this by losing SullCrom which is a longshot with a 3.7 transfer.

[Anonymous User]

Thanks!

[Anonymous User]

Does anyone know when we get our interview schedules?

Also, is there anything important or useful that people usually do the weekend before EIP? Any good events, mock interviews, etc? Trying to figure out my travel plans.

[FascinatedWanderer]

I would just relax. I was just hanging out with friends/doing normal summer things that weekend. Unless you're a horribly awkward interviewer (which, frankly, many at CLS are) there's very little to be done as far as preparation.

IME, screeners give very few fucks if you know the firms marquee practice areas or some such bullshit. They just want to have a chill convo with you for a while to get relief from all the assholes they had to put up with for the whole day. Except for SullCrom. You can say 0 words in that screener if the number on the page is high enough.

[Anonymous User]

Need some advice on a bid list

Transferring into CLS from T40 w/ ~3.7 GPA, no news on LR/journal yet, non-URM, 4 years work experience. Looking at NY, TX (have ties) & LA (no ties) mostly for corporate but also included some lit options.

Any help would be massively appreciated!

1 White & Case – NY (5)
2 Morrison & Foerster – NY (5)
3 Milbank Tweed – NY (6)
4 Paul Weiss – NY (9)
5 Skadden – NY (10)
6 Davis Polk – NY (11)
7 Latham & Watkins – NY (13)
8 Sullivan & Cromwell - NY (10)
9 Akin Gump – NY (11)
10 Cravath – NY (14)
11 Covington - NY (16)
12 Simpson Thacher – NY (22)
13 King & Spalding – NY (15)
14 Arnold & Porter – NY (26)
15 Gibson Dunn – Dallas (30)
16 Vinson & Elkins – Houston (no failed bid for the rest)
17 Baker Botts - Houston
18 Baker & McKenzie - Houston
19 Jones Day - Houston
20 Kirkland & Ellis - NY
21 Akin Gump - LA
22 Foley & Lardner - LA
23 Kirkland & Ellis - LA
24 Baker & Hostetler - Houston
25 Hunton & Williams - Houston
26 King & Spalding - Houston
27 Willkie Farr - Houston
28 Haynes & Boone - Houston
29 Norton Rose Fulbright - Houston
30 DLA Piper - LA

Thanks!

Looks like you have the wrong FFB for Cravath .

[Anonymous User]

Good catch, thanks!

[Anonymous User]

Need some advice on a bid list

Transferring into CLS from T40 w/ ~3.7 GPA, no news on LR/journal yet, non-URM, 4 years work experience. Looking at NY, TX (have ties) & LA (no ties) mostly for corporate but also included some lit options.

Any help would be massively appreciated!

1 White & Case – NY (5)
2 Morrison & Foerster – NY (5)
3 Milbank Tweed – NY (6)
4 Paul Weiss – NY (9)
5 Skadden – NY (10)
6 Davis Polk – NY (11)
7 Latham & Watkins – NY (13)
8 Sullivan & Cromwell - NY (10)
9 Akin Gump – NY (11)
10 Cravath – NY (14)
11 Covington - NY (16)
12 Simpson Thacher – NY (22)
13 King & Spalding – NY (15)
14 Arnold & Porter – NY (26)
15 Gibson Dunn – Dallas (30)
16 Vinson & Elkins – Houston (no failed bid for the rest)
17 Baker Botts - Houston
18 Baker & McKenzie - Houston
19 Jones Day - Houston
20 Kirkland & Ellis - NY
21 Akin Gump - LA
22 Foley & Lardner - LA
23 Kirkland & Ellis - LA
24 Baker & Hostetler - Houston
25 Hunton & Williams - Houston
26 King & Spalding - Houston
27 Willkie Farr - Houston
28 Haynes & Boone - Houston
29 Norton Rose Fulbright - Houston
30 DLA Piper - LA

Thanks!

I'd consider dropping some of the 16-30 from the bid list and using some of those bids to shoot for additional firms with FFB requirements. If the dropped firms have open interview slots you can manually add them after the interviews are announced. I also think the no FFB for Kirkland was a freak occurrence and should not be relied on (I'd at a minimum put it 16).

Also double check you can bid on multiple offices for those firms that are listed more than once (Akin, King).

[frasier]

Can someone comment on how flexible call back interview scheduling is? Can I be out of town the Thursday / Friday of call back week with no disfavorable impact on eventual outcomes?

[TheoO]

Can someone comment on how flexible call back interview scheduling is? Can I be out of town the Thursday / Friday of call back week with no disfavorable impact on eventual outcomes?

you should be planning your callbacks as soon as possible. This will obviously depend on how many callbacks you get, but you should try to make sure you have them as quickly as you can fit them in.
Keep in mind that you're not just trying to schedule callbacks as against other Columbia students: virtually all of the top 14 schools will be in callback mode around this time. NYU has it right after columbia, so within a weak you have another 300+ or so students scheduling interviews.

[Bach-City]

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[Anonymous User]

When will it all end? I really want to get out of the city at the end of August, is that possible?

[stoopkid13]

When will it all end? I really want to get out of the city at the end of August, is that possible?

Obviously it depends. Some people finish the week after EIP, some people will need the whole month of August, some people will be doing recruiting into the Fall semester. That said, I think 3-4 weeks is a safe bet.

[Anonymous User]

When will it all end? I really want to get out of the city at the end of August, is that possible?

Obviously it depends. Some people finish the week after EIP, some people will need the whole month of August, some people will be doing recruiting into the Fall semester. That said, I think 3-4 weeks is a safe bet.

When do interviews end each day? I am sure this also varies based on your assignments, but is the whole event an 8-5 thing, or does it go past 5? The EIP website just says "all day."

[TheoO]

When will it all end? I really want to get out of the city at the end of August, is that possible?

Obviously it depends. Some people finish the week after EIP, some people will need the whole month of August, some people will be doing recruiting into the Fall semester. That said, I think 3-4 weeks is a safe bet.

When do interviews end each day? I am sure this also varies based on your assignments, but is the whole event an 8-5 thing, or does it go past 5? The EIP website just says "all day."

If I remember correctly, the last interviews will generally wrap up around 5pm. Interviews generally begin after 10am, generally.

You'll get am hour break in the student floor area to sit in crowded tables (I tended to just put headphones on and wait in the quiet area, or find some place without law students).

[stoopkid13]

When will it all end? I really want to get out of the city at the end of August, is that possible?

Obviously it depends. Some people finish the week after EIP, some people will need the whole month of August, some people will be doing recruiting into the Fall semester. That said, I think 3-4 weeks is a safe bet.

When do interviews end each day? I am sure this also varies based on your assignments, but is the whole event an 8-5 thing, or does it go past 5? The EIP website just says "all day."

If I remember correctly, the last interviews will generally wrap up around 5pm. Interviews generally begin after 10am, generally.

You'll get am hour break in the student floor area to sit in crowded tables (I tended to just put headphones on and wait in the quiet area, or find some place without law students).

Sometimes there are firm receptions in the evening. I think Shearman had one last year for everyone who did a screener.

[Anonymous User]

Last year, the last interviews ran 5:00 - 5:20 but sometimes the last interview can run long and sometimes firms will squeeze people in at the end of the day if they want to conduct an extra interview.

[Anonymous User]

So I got basically all of my bids, but I'm actually accepting a pre-EIP offer at my dream firm. (super excited!)

Is there any way to time my dropped bids during the add/drop period? Like tell my friend who fucked up his bidding I'm dropping my bids at 2:30am, and have him pick up the bids at 2:35am or something?

[dabigchina]

Is there any way to time my dropped bids during the add/drop period? Like tell my friend who fucked up his bidding I'm dropping my bids at 2:30am, and have him pick up the bids at 2:35am or something?

You can do exactly that. My gut says to wait a bit later into add/drop because there are going to be fewer people looking to add firms.

[Anonymous User]

Any tips on how to power through a 10-interview day without hard drugs? I am pretty sure I'll be speaking gobbledygook by 3ish.

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