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how much will being k-jd hurt during OCI?

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:41 pm

I don't have very much work experience before law school but I have strong grades from a strong school. Should I be focusing on lower ranked firms to account for my lack of experience? Does anyone have actual experience going through OCI without a lot of work history?

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Re: how much will being k-jd hurt during OCI?

Post by lakers180 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:44 pm

whats school and approximate rank? that's the most important factor, if you're on the fringe it'll make more of a difference

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Post by 1styearlateral » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:57 pm

I've only ever thought pre-JD experience was important for patent pros. Otherwise, don't firms pretty much care about school + GPA with anything else being a soft?

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Re: how much will being k-jd hurt during OCI?

Post by lawhopeful100 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:58 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I don't have very much work experience before law school but I have strong grades from a strong school. Should I be focusing on lower ranked firms to account for my lack of experience? Does anyone have actual experience going through OCI without a lot of work history?
I was k-jd and was on the extreme end of no work experience. I had never been in an office before with my only jobs being working for a moving company and umpiring baseball. I also only did research for professors my 1L summer. I thought I underperformed but ultimately I still got something decent. I think it matters a little bit but it is by no means a death sentence.

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Re: how much will being k-jd hurt during OCI?

Post by tfer2222 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:00 pm

I've never heard of that really mattering at all. I was K-JD, had 0 issues at OCI / never even thought about it.

Maybe it would help to have prior work experience if your grades are mediocre or something, I'm not sure.

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Re: how much will being k-jd hurt during OCI?

Post by Pomeranian » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:04 pm

Anecdotally, I've heard K-JD tend to underperform compared to those with work experience, but your GRADES >> everything.

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Re: how much will being k-jd hurt during OCI?

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:06 pm

k-jd at Duke, slightly above median, and I think I slightly underperformed, but still got biglaw in NY. All things being equal, they'd probably prefer someone with experience, but if you've got the grades and interview well, it's certainly not damning.

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Re: how much will being k-jd hurt during OCI?

Post by ambrajdurbra131313 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:12 pm

Your school will matter a lot here. Speaking more generally, from my observations, it matters more the closer you get to median.

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Post by Anonymous User » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:16 pm

lakers180 wrote:whats school and approximate rank? that's the most important factor, if you're on the fringe it'll make more of a difference
I'm the op. YHS, no real way to tell rank but I've been told top 15-10%.

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Re: how much will being k-jd hurt during OCI?

Post by lolwat » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:36 pm

IMO being a k-jd only really hurts to the extent you're relatively awkward in professional settings and have no idea how to interview other than shit you read online and doing some mock interviews at your school -- all this because you've never done it before.

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Post by BigZuck » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:37 pm

Davis Polk is unfortunately your ceiling here due to K-JD stank

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Post by kingpin101 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:39 pm

LMAO enjoy settling for Cravath instead of Wachtell.

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Post by BigZuck » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:47 pm

kingpin101 wrote:LMAO enjoy settling for Cravath instead of Wachtell.
Settling for a V1 sounds pretty good to me!

OP- Ignore this. This poster is trolling you. The grim reality is you're going to have to settle for a fake V5 AT BEST. That's the hard truth, but it's the truth. Better you hear this now so you can start crafting the story you're going to tell friends and family when your OCI goes south and they wonder why you're not as prestigious as they always thought you were.

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Post by dabigchina » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:48 pm

BigZuck wrote:Davis Polk is unfortunately your ceiling here due to K-JD stank

Condolences
Literally worse than death. I'm glad I'm not you OP

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Re: how much will being k-jd hurt during OCI?

Post by jingosaur » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:54 pm

You'll probably be fine with accepting Gibson Dunn DC because you'll know you tried your best. Having to tell your family is when it will start to hurt.

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Re: how much will being k-jd hurt during OCI?

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:55 pm

Not a flame. I didn't want this to be a "chance me" thread. My question was how much of a hit I (or anyone else) should expect to take from not really having great work experience going through OCI. It seems like the answer is some but not a lot?

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Re: how much will being k-jd hurt during OCI?

Post by MCFC » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:00 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Not a flame. I didn't want this to be a "chance me" thread. My question was how much of a hit I (or anyone else) should expect to take from not really having great work experience going through OCI. It seems like the answer is some but not a lot?
Yep that's about right.

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Re: how much will being k-jd hurt during OCI?

Post by lakers180 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:01 pm

answer is none if yale top 10 percent

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Post by BigZuck » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:13 pm

I don't think being K-JD will be your biggest hurdle at OCI.

I just wouldn't worry about this.

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Re: how much will being k-jd hurt during OCI?

Post by Npret » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:15 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Not a flame. I didn't want this to be a "chance me" thread. My question was how much of a hit I (or anyone else) should expect to take from not really having great work experience going through OCI. It seems like the answer is some but not a lot?
What kind of job are you looking for? Something unicorn like or biglaw NYC?

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Re: how much will being k-jd hurt during OCI?

Post by ballouttacontrol » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:21 pm

idk anything about yls but KJDs definitely don't do as well as their peers that have some decent experience. at my school you'd be fine if you had like one good thing going for you, including: WE, grades, minority, strong connection to very insular market, desirable tech UG and interest in patent law, etc... the only people I know that didn't get biglaw that were seeking it had none of the above

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Re: how much will being k-jd hurt during OCI?

Post by Pragmatic Gun » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:42 pm

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lakers180 wrote:whats school and approximate rank? that's the most important factor, if you're on the fringe it'll make more of a difference
I'm the op. YHS, no real way to tell rank but I've been told top 15-10%.
OP, this is gonna be tough to hear, but I don't think you have a shot at working at Wachtell with those grades. Maybe Cravath or maybe even the firm where Gorsuch used to work. Perhaps you should consider clerking for the SDNY or the Supreme Court, as they seem like your only realistic options. :(

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Re: how much will being k-jd hurt during OCI?

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:50 pm

Npret wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Not a flame. I didn't want this to be a "chance me" thread. My question was how much of a hit I (or anyone else) should expect to take from not really having great work experience going through OCI. It seems like the answer is some but not a lot?
What kind of job are you looking for? Something unicorn like or biglaw NYC?
I'd be fine with NYC, SF, or Chicago. I am having trouble parsing the sarcasm from the real feedback in this thread. Opinions seem to range from "you'll settle for Cravath" to "you'll be at a real disadvantage over your peers." Could people with actual experience (personal or anecdotal) weigh in on the effect of being k-jd?

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