1L diversity summer associate positions Forum

[Anonymous User]

Not diversity, but i got my formal offer probably a day or 2 after my informal

[Anonymous User]

Got an informal offer by email.

How long does it take to get a formal offer?

Congrats! If this was a firm, was it by any chance a secondary market?

[Anonymous User]

Got an informal offer by email.

How long does it take to get a formal offer?

Less than a week. Got my call and two days later my letter.

[Anonymous User]

Got an informal offer by email.

How long does it take to get a formal offer?

Congrats! If this was a firm, was it by any chance a secondary market?

It was a firm. It was Texas, unclear if that counts as a secondary market

[Anonymous User]

Got an informal offer by email.

How long does it take to get a formal offer?

Congrats! If this was a firm, was it by any chance a secondary market?

It was a firm. It was Texas, unclear if that counts as a secondary market

Yes that is secondary.

[emkay625]

Got an informal offer by email.

How long does it take to get a formal offer?

Congrats! If this was a firm, was it by any chance a secondary market?

It was a firm. It was Texas, unclear if that counts as a secondary market

Yes that is secondary.

So are only NYC, Chicago, and LA "primary?" (Houston is the 4th largest city in the country.)

[Anonymous User]

Got an informal offer by email.

How long does it take to get a formal offer?

Congrats! If this was a firm, was it by any chance a secondary market?

It was a firm. It was Texas, unclear if that counts as a secondary market

Yes that is secondary.

So are only NYC, Chicago, and LA "primary?" (Houston is the 4th largest city in the country.)

Personally have never heard of Houston being a primary legal market. DC is primary too btw. I could be wrong but I'm not sure large city = primary market

[Anonymous User]

Got an informal offer by email.

How long does it take to get a formal offer?

Congrats! If this was a firm, was it by any chance a secondary market?

It was a firm. It was Texas, unclear if that counts as a secondary market

Yes that is secondary.

So are only NYC, Chicago, and LA "primary?" (Houston is the 4th largest city in the country.)

Personally have never heard of Houston being a primary legal market. DC is primary too btw. I could be wrong but I'm not sure large city = primary market

DC is definitely primary. I dont think city size is what determines whther a market is primary/secondary.

primary markets to me are: CHI, LA, SF, NY, and DC. That's it.

[Anonymous User]

Accepted an offer at Mintz Levin SD last week. Very excited, and best of luck to all still searching.

[Anonymous User]

As someone who accepted a 1L diversity position this year, just wanted to encourage my fellow URMs to remember that these firms in many ways are not made for us and not necessarily as supportive of us as they may seem, so we should remember to stay woke while working.

Just heard from a 2nd year at Skadden (and had corroborated by someone who summered there last year) that a head recruiter was fired for calling a Southeast Asian associate the 'n' word and "curried pussy." After admitting to Skadden partners and HR that she'd said that, and that she used the 'n' word and other racial slurs regularly, the Skadden partners didn't even punish her until associates of color threatened to walk and tell the story to Above the Law. As if that wasn't bad eenough, apparently Skadden partners then called up their buddies at Weil to help her get a job there, where she is now a recruiter.

This story boiled my blood not only because I interviewed at both and will be working at 1 of these firms this summer, but because it's so representative of institutionalized racism that people say doesn't really exist. A person in charge of recruiting for one of the best firms in the world can be overtly racist and the only consequence is she gets moved into another position to control recruiting at another great law firm. I'm so disappointed in both Skadden and Weil and feel so jaded after hearing so many good things about both. How could Skadden not want to fire this woman on the spot? And how does Weil think it's okay to put her on their payroll?

Anyway, I was disappointed and disheartened, but figured the story should be shared in order to make sure we're all aware of what we're up against. Discrimination is very real, and Biglaw is far from being insulated against it. Fight the good fight, folks. Stay woke.

[emkay625]

Got an informal offer by email.

How long does it take to get a formal offer?

Congrats! If this was a firm, was it by any chance a secondary market?

It was a firm. It was Texas, unclear if that counts as a secondary market

Yes that is secondary.

So are only NYC, Chicago, and LA "primary?" (Houston is the 4th largest city in the country.)

Personally have never heard of Houston being a primary legal market. DC is primary too btw. I could be wrong but I'm not sure large city = primary market

DC is definitely primary. I dont think city size is what determines whther a market is primary/secondary.

primary markets to me are: CHI, LA, SF, NY, and DC. That's it.

San Francisco is a strange inclusion to me. It is the 14th largest city in the country and 11th in terms of lawyers per capita.

It seems like your list is places you think are nice to live, not places where there is a huge market for attorneys.

[Anonymous User]

As someone who accepted a 1L diversity position this year, just wanted to encourage my fellow URMs to remember that these firms in many ways are not made for us and not necessarily as supportive of us as they may seem, so we should remember to stay woke while working.

Just heard from a 2nd year at Skadden (and had corroborated by someone who summered there last year) that a head recruiter was fired for calling a Southeast Asian associate the 'n' word and "curried pussy." After admitting to Skadden partners and HR that she'd said that, and that she used the 'n' word and other racial slurs regularly, the Skadden partners didn't even punish her until associates of color threatened to walk and tell the story to Above the Law. As if that wasn't bad eenough, apparently Skadden partners then called up their buddies at Weil to help her get a job there, where she is now a recruiter.

This story boiled my blood not only because I interviewed at both and will be working at 1 of these firms this summer, but because it's so representative of institutionalized racism that people say doesn't really exist. A person in charge of recruiting for one of the best firms in the world can be overtly racist and the only consequence is she gets moved into another position to control recruiting at another great law firm. I'm so disappointed in both Skadden and Weil and feel so jaded after hearing so many good things about both. How could Skadden not want to fire this woman on the spot? And how does Weil think it's okay to put her on their payroll?

Anyway, I was disappointed and disheartened, but figured the story should be shared in order to make sure we're all aware of what we're up against. Discrimination is very real, and Biglaw is far from being insulated against it. Fight the good fight, folks. Stay woke.

send this up to abovethelaw or something, this stuff is unacceptable and needs to be spread

[Anonymous User]

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[Anonymous User]

San Francisco is a strange inclusion to me. It is the 14th largest city in the country and 11th in terms of lawyers per capita.

It seems like your list is places you think are nice to live, not places where there is a huge market for attorneys.

Including silicon valley? SF/SV has a huge number of biglaw regional offices (sometimes even with an office in both SF/SV). I'd wager more than any non-NYC market. Offices are often 20-50 attorneys in size though.

[emkay625]

San Francisco is a strange inclusion to me. It is the 14th largest city in the country and 11th in terms of lawyers per capita.

It seems like your list is places you think are nice to live, not places where there is a huge market for attorneys.

Including silicon valley? SF/SV has a huge number of biglaw regional offices (sometimes even with an office in both SF/SV). I'd wager more than any non-NYC market. Offices are often 20-50 attorneys in size though.

My issue was really in comparison; they refuse to include any Texas city, even though Houston is much larger had has much more lawyers per capita.

[chicagoburger]

This story boiled my blood not only because I interviewed at both and will be working at 1 of these firms this summer, but because it's so representative of institutionalized racism that people say doesn't really exist. A person in charge of recruiting for one of the best firms in the world can be overtly racist and the only consequence is she gets moved into another position to control recruiting at another great law firm. I'm so disappointed in both Skadden and Weil and feel so jaded after hearing so many good things about both. How could Skadden not want to fire this woman on the spot? And how does Weil think it's okay to put her on their payroll?

Anyway, I was disappointed and disheartened, but figured the story should be shared in order to make sure we're all aware of what we're up against. Discrimination is very real, and Biglaw is far from being insulated against it. Fight the good fight, folks. Stay woke.

Snowflake, did you ever have a real job before? So n-words broke your heart, is this a joke?
Skadden is here to make money, not to be your Disneyland prince with white horse.
Police, attorneys, and judges curse and f-this f-fhat all the time.
Welcome to real world.

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[asaucyintruder]

This story boiled my blood not only because I interviewed at both and will be working at 1 of these firms this summer, but because it's so representative of institutionalized racism that people say doesn't really exist. A person in charge of recruiting for one of the best firms in the world can be overtly racist and the only consequence is she gets moved into another position to control recruiting at another great law firm. I'm so disappointed in both Skadden and Weil and feel so jaded after hearing so many good things about both. How could Skadden not want to fire this woman on the spot? And how does Weil think it's okay to put her on their payroll?

Anyway, I was disappointed and disheartened, but figured the story should be shared in order to make sure we're all aware of what we're up against. Discrimination is very real, and Biglaw is far from being insulated against it. Fight the good fight, folks. Stay woke.

Snowflake, did you ever have a real job before? So n-words broke your heart, is this a joke?
Skadden is here to make money, not to be your Disneyland prince with white horse.
Police, attorneys, and judges curse and f-this f-fhat all the time.
Welcome to real world.

Flaming someone offended by egregious racism. Great use of anon.

[dabigchina]

San Francisco is a strange inclusion to me. It is the 14th largest city in the country and 11th in terms of lawyers per capita.

It seems like your list is places you think are nice to live, not places where there is a huge market for attorneys.

Including silicon valley? SF/SV has a huge number of biglaw regional offices (sometimes even with an office in both SF/SV). I'd wager more than any non-NYC market. Offices are often 20-50 attorneys in size though.

My issue was really in comparison; they refuse to include any Texas city, even though Houston is much larger had has much more lawyers per capita.

Just for you, we will call Houston a primary market.

But really, it's NY, Chicago, DC

[UVA2B]

This story boiled my blood not only because I interviewed at both and will be working at 1 of these firms this summer, but because it's so representative of institutionalized racism that people say doesn't really exist. A person in charge of recruiting for one of the best firms in the world can be overtly racist and the only consequence is she gets moved into another position to control recruiting at another great law firm. I'm so disappointed in both Skadden and Weil and feel so jaded after hearing so many good things about both. How could Skadden not want to fire this woman on the spot? And how does Weil think it's okay to put her on their payroll?

Anyway, I was disappointed and disheartened, but figured the story should be shared in order to make sure we're all aware of what we're up against. Discrimination is very real, and Biglaw is far from being insulated against it. Fight the good fight, folks. Stay woke.

Snowflake, did you ever have a real job before? So n-words broke your heart, is this a joke?
Skadden is here to make money, not to be your Disneyland prince with white horse.
Police, attorneys, and judges curse and f-this f-fhat all the time.
Welcome to real world.

[User has been banned]

Sweet glorious relief!

[SmokeytheBear]

San Francisco is a strange inclusion to me. It is the 14th largest city in the country and 11th in terms of lawyers per capita.

It seems like your list is places you think are nice to live, not places where there is a huge market for attorneys.

Including silicon valley? SF/SV has a huge number of biglaw regional offices (sometimes even with an office in both SF/SV). I'd wager more than any non-NYC market. Offices are often 20-50 attorneys in size though.

It's defined by both (i) in which cities do the top firms pay Cravath scale salaries and (ii) in which cities do most of the top firms have offices. While some cities (Dallas, Houston, and Atlanta) have some big law offices, they do not have many, nor do all the the offices pay market. Whereas in NYC, Chicago, DC, LA, and SF/SV, each of those cities have offices of most of the larger firms (though there are exceptions--Davis Polk does not have an LA office, SF does not have a Milbank office, etc).

[Anonymous User]

As someone who accepted a 1L diversity position this year, just wanted to encourage my fellow URMs to remember that these firms in many ways are not made for us and not necessarily as supportive of us as they may seem, so we should remember to stay woke while working.

Just heard from a 2nd year at Skadden (and had corroborated by someone who summered there last year) that a head recruiter was fired for calling a Southeast Asian associate the 'n' word and "curried pussy." After admitting to Skadden partners and HR that she'd said that, and that she used the 'n' word and other racial slurs regularly, the Skadden partners didn't even punish her until associates of color threatened to walk and tell the story to Above the Law. As if that wasn't bad eenough, apparently Skadden partners then called up their buddies at Weil to help her get a job there, where she is now a recruiter.

This story boiled my blood not only because I interviewed at both and will be working at 1 of these firms this summer, but because it's so representative of institutionalized racism that people say doesn't really exist. A person in charge of recruiting for one of the best firms in the world can be overtly racist and the only consequence is she gets moved into another position to control recruiting at another great law firm. I'm so disappointed in both Skadden and Weil and feel so jaded after hearing so many good things about both. How could Skadden not want to fire this woman on the spot? And how does Weil think it's okay to put her on their payroll?

Anyway, I was disappointed and disheartened, but figured the story should be shared in order to make sure we're all aware of what we're up against. Discrimination is very real, and Biglaw is far from being insulated against it. Fight the good fight, folks. Stay woke.

No one in recruiting at Weil has ever worked at Skadden as far as I can find? Even if this story was true, how would you know the partners got her the new job, or that they told Weil about why she was looking for a new job? Who would admit to their boss that they used the n-word regularly even if they did, and again, how would you know? If this is true, why not call up ATL and out the person/firms instead of posting this story anonymously on a bunch of threads with no evidence? Telling people these firms condone and protect blatant racism is pretty serious, do you have anything other than claiming you heard it from someone? I'm summering at one of these firms, and I definitely wouldn't want to work for either if this is true, but give me something a little more to go on.

[Anonymous User]

As someone who accepted a 1L diversity position this year, just wanted to encourage my fellow URMs to remember that these firms in many ways are not made for us and not necessarily as supportive of us as they may seem, so we should remember to stay woke while working.

Just heard from a 2nd year at Skadden (and had corroborated by someone who summered there last year) that a head recruiter was fired for calling a Southeast Asian associate the 'n' word and "curried pussy." After admitting to Skadden partners and HR that she'd said that, and that she used the 'n' word and other racial slurs regularly, the Skadden partners didn't even punish her until associates of color threatened to walk and tell the story to Above the Law. As if that wasn't bad eenough, apparently Skadden partners then called up their buddies at Weil to help her get a job there, where she is now a recruiter.

This story boiled my blood not only because I interviewed at both and will be working at 1 of these firms this summer, but because it's so representative of institutionalized racism that people say doesn't really exist. A person in charge of recruiting for one of the best firms in the world can be overtly racist and the only consequence is she gets moved into another position to control recruiting at another great law firm. I'm so disappointed in both Skadden and Weil and feel so jaded after hearing so many good things about both. How could Skadden not want to fire this woman on the spot? And how does Weil think it's okay to put her on their payroll?

Anyway, I was disappointed and disheartened, but figured the story should be shared in order to make sure we're all aware of what we're up against. Discrimination is very real, and Biglaw is far from being insulated against it. Fight the good fight, folks. Stay woke.

No one in recruiting at Weil has ever worked at Skadden as far as I can find? Even if this story was true, how would you know the partners got her the new job, or that they told Weil about why she was looking for a new job? Who would admit to their boss that they used the n-word regularly even if they did, and again, how would you know? If this is true, why not call up ATL and out the person/firms instead of posting this story anonymously on a bunch of threads with no evidence? Telling people these firms condone and protect blatant racism is pretty serious, do you have anything other than claiming you heard it from someone? I'm summering at one of these firms, and I definitely wouldn't want to work for either if this is true, but give me something a little more to go on.

idk if this recruiter is still at Weil but i have also heard this story from a very reliable non-TLS source..an associate at Skadden. I highly doubt everyone is making up the exact same story. I dont think this is reflective of Skadden or Weil any more than it is reflective of biglaw as a whole. Its a lot about who you know and its not very diverse.

[candidlatke]

San Francisco is a strange inclusion to me. It is the 14th largest city in the country and 11th in terms of lawyers per capita.

It seems like your list is places you think are nice to live, not places where there is a huge market for attorneys.

Including silicon valley? SF/SV has a huge number of biglaw regional offices (sometimes even with an office in both SF/SV). I'd wager more than any non-NYC market. Offices are often 20-50 attorneys in size though.

It's defined by both (i) in which cities do the top firms pay Cravath scale salaries and (ii) in which cities do most of the top firms have offices. While some cities (Dallas, Houston, and Atlanta) have some big law offices, they do not have many, nor do all the the offices pay market. Whereas in NYC, Chicago, DC, LA, and SF/SV, each of those cities have offices of most of the larger firms (though there are exceptions--Davis Polk does not have an LA office, SF does not have a Milbank office, etc).

that might be a way to distinguish atlanta but market in dallas/houston is 180k across the board

[SmokeytheBear]

San Francisco is a strange inclusion to me. It is the 14th largest city in the country and 11th in terms of lawyers per capita.

It seems like your list is places you think are nice to live, not places where there is a huge market for attorneys.

Including silicon valley? SF/SV has a huge number of biglaw regional offices (sometimes even with an office in both SF/SV). I'd wager more than any non-NYC market. Offices are often 20-50 attorneys in size though.

It's defined by both (i) in which cities do the top firms pay Cravath scale salaries and (ii) in which cities do most of the top firms have offices. While some cities (Dallas, Houston, and Atlanta) have some big law offices, they do not have many, nor do all the the offices pay market. Whereas in NYC, Chicago, DC, LA, and SF/SV, each of those cities have offices of most of the larger firms (though there are exceptions--Davis Polk does not have an LA office, SF does not have a Milbank office, etc).

that might be a way to distinguish atlanta but market in dallas/houston is 180k across the board

Fair enough. I don't get why Houston/Dallas is not included then. If those firms are heavily reliant on energy work, that might be why (i.e. they're not seen as full service, industry agnostic offices).

[Anonymous User]

How can I set myself up for a 1L SA? I will be enrolling at a t12-t14 this fall.