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Re: Practical tips for survival in biglaw

Postby DELG » Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:58 pm

This guy suggests being middle class and white, probably smart

http://www.bcgsearch.com/article/900045 ... -Law-Firm/

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Re: Practical tips for survival in biglaw

Postby sesto elemento » Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:22 pm

DELG wrote:This guy suggests being middle class and white, probably smart

http://www.bcgsearch.com/article/900045 ... -Law-Firm/


That was a good read.

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Re: Practical tips for survival in biglaw

Postby Companion Cube » Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:42 pm

Note: not a single person has said "get a standing desk" yet

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Re: Practical tips for survival in biglaw

Postby First Offense » Sun Sep 20, 2015 8:35 am

DELG wrote:This guy suggests being middle class and white, probably smart

http://www.bcgsearch.com/article/900045 ... -Law-Firm/


The middle class cares what others think of them and the lower and upper classes often could care less!


Triggered

Edit: Also this is an awful fucking article. I'm not saying that class and race may actually play a role in things, but if it does, this article does an awful job of examining the issue.

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Re: Practical tips for survival in biglaw

Postby sweetscholarlytreats » Sun Sep 20, 2015 10:18 am

Companion Cube wrote:Note: not a single person has said "get a standing desk" yet


reading comprehension fail

does your firm make you get a doctor's note?

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Re: Practical tips for survival in biglaw

Postby Cogburn87 » Sun Sep 20, 2015 10:26 am

DELG wrote:This guy suggests being middle class and white, probably smart

http://www.bcgsearch.com/article/900045 ... -Law-Firm/


I think this dude's stuff has been posted here before. If I recall correctly he's a "clause 9.2 and the way it works with 7.6"-level sociopath.

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sweetscholarlytreats wrote:
Companion Cube wrote:Note: not a single person has said "get a standing desk" yet


reading comprehension fail

does your firm make you get a doctor's note?



Eh I guess I skipped that post. I gotta stop semi-drunk shitposting

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Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sun Sep 20, 2015 11:48 am

Desert Fox wrote:It has some good insights on lower class people, especially the view of just clocking in and clocking out. But it's definitely pro striver.

No it doesn't. It has good Insights into how a prick views working class/minorities, but that's it. Which isn't to say it doesn't tell you anything about biglaw hiring, of course.

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Re: Practical tips for survival in biglaw

Postby dixiecupdrinking » Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:01 pm

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Desert Fox wrote:It has some good insights on lower class people, especially the view of just clocking in and clocking out. But it's definitely pro striver.

No it doesn't. It has good Insights into how a prick views working class/minorities, but that's it. Which isn't to say it doesn't tell you anything about biglaw hiring, of course.

Yeah Barnes sucks. The fact that he's a legal recruiter belies all his supposed wisdom about how to succeed in the law. If I'm going to be condescended to about my career I'd like it at least to come from someone who actually has a career I'd want.

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Re: Practical tips for survival in biglaw

Postby sesto elemento » Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:19 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:It has some good insights on lower class people, especially the view of just clocking in and clocking out. But it's definitely pro striver.

No it doesn't. It has good Insights into how a prick views working class/minorities, but that's it. Which isn't to say it doesn't tell you anything about biglaw hiring, of course.


Poor people definitely tend to be unambitious clock punchers. Anyone who ever worked in retail has lived with that attitude.

There are definitely exceptions. The most hardworking in biglaw are the "born lower class but with a chip on their shoulder." They are pretty much psychopaths but they will bill whatever you ask for them and much more.


I'm gonna go with DF on this one. The article does make some good points, but it also makes some sweeping generalizations and only cites to self-serving anecdotes.

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Re: Practical tips for survival in biglaw

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Desert Fox wrote:
Poor people definitely tend to be unambitious clock punchers. Anyone who ever worked in retail has lived with that attitude.

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Perhaps true generally, but if you end up getting into a top law school and getting a job in Biglaw, you're probably not unambitious. Hell, you're probably obnoxiously strivery.

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Re: Practical tips for survival in biglaw

Postby rpupkin » Sun Sep 20, 2015 6:38 pm

DELG wrote:This guy suggests being middle class and white, probably smart

http://www.bcgsearch.com/article/900045 ... -Law-Firm/

Drivel. I stopped reading when he identified Barack Obama and Bill Clinton as "two of the most successful attorneys of our generation."

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Re: Practical tips for survival in biglaw

Postby nealric » Thu Sep 24, 2015 2:24 pm

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Desert Fox wrote:
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Anonymous User wrote:Couple of other tips:

1) Do not take on any pro bono for at least a year. It can be good experience and you can get exposure to partners and clients that you otherwise would not, but it can also be a huge timesuck, can interfere with your billable work, and you don't get "leeway" for subpar work especially if it is a big case. Wait until you've figured out how to control your schedule and workflow before committing to pro bono. Watch out for seniors who try to peer pressure you into taking on pro bono cases - a red flag that those matters are taking up a ton of time.



Not an option in most cases (at least it wasn't for me). Partner assigns it, you are doing it unless you have a REALLY good excuse. It's usually some bigwig's pet project that he sure as hell isn't going to do himself.


At my firm, you don't get assigned pro bono very often. But I would consider pro bono if you are slow, which happens at a lot of firms for first years.


For firms that count pro bono hours toward your billable hours, I am guessing this advice doesn't apply? Or am I missing something?


No matter what the firm says publicly, a pro bono hour is not equal to a billable hour in the eyes of management. Most firms have formal or informal caps on how much pro bono "counts" towards billable.

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Re: Practical tips for survival in biglaw

Postby bruinfan10 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:29 pm

bumping this thread in the hopes that we can undo the damage to it caused by that terrible harrison barnes article. it was pretty sweet before that derailed it.

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Re: Practical tips for survival in biglaw

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I guess this is related to surviving biglaw at least indirectly. Is it wise to rent a condo one or two blocks away from Grove St PATH station in NJ and do a 30-40 minute (google says its 33 minutes, but is it really?) commute to Midtown East 5-7 times a week? I could cut this commute down to 15-20 minutes if I rent a condo near the 4 5 in UES (forget Astoria sunnyside etc.) but is this alternative really worth spending an extra 7-9k a year (considering NYC tax, COL, increased fed tax, PATH card, could be more depending on my SO income)? I think its aprox 110 hours more at most in a car or train a year vs commuting from UES. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Practical tips for survival in biglaw

Postby gk101 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:09 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I guess this is related to surviving biglaw at least indirectly. Is it wise to rent a condo one or two blocks away from Grove St PATH station in NJ and do a 30-40 minute (google says its 33 minutes, but is it really?) commute to Midtown East 5-7 times a week? I could cut this commute down to 15-20 minutes if I rent a condo near the 4 5 in UES (forget Astoria sunnyside etc.) but is this alternative really worth spending an extra 7-9k a year (considering NYC tax, COL, increased fed tax, PATH card, could be more depending on my SO income)? I think its aprox 110 hours more at most in a car or train a year vs commuting from UES. Thanks in advance.

you will HATE the extra commute time during particularly busy periods where you just want to get home and pass out for a couple of hours before coming back in. HOWEVER, your life in biglaw will be miserable anyways so what's a little extra misery. just save the money and quit sooner

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Re: Practical tips for survival in biglaw

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gk101 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I guess this is related to surviving biglaw at least indirectly. Is it wise to rent a condo one or two blocks away from Grove St PATH station in NJ and do a 30-40 minute (google says its 33 minutes, but is it really?) commute to Midtown East 5-7 times a week? I could cut this commute down to 15-20 minutes if I rent a condo near the 4 5 in UES (forget Astoria sunnyside etc.) but is this alternative really worth spending an extra 7-9k a year (considering NYC tax, COL, increased fed tax, PATH card, could be more depending on my SO income)? I think its aprox 110 hours more at most in a car or train a year vs commuting from UES. Thanks in advance.

you will HATE the extra commute time during particularly busy periods where you just want to get home and pass out for a couple of hours before coming back in. HOWEVER, your life in biglaw will be miserable anyways so what's a little extra misery. just save the money and quit sooner


I used to commute around 40 minutes one way...saved a ton of money that way. Now I live a lot closer, but totally thought it was worth it. I paid off my loans way more quickly than I would have. And yeah, I was working 60-70 hours a week on average, so either way it's going to suck with or without the commute.

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Re: Practical tips for survival in biglaw

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:11 pm

I would opt for the longer commute to save money and peace out of biglaw sooner. i opted for the more expensive place with a shorter commute (paying 2200 instead of potentially1700-1800) and kind of wish i just had that extra cash and a 15-20 minute longer commute.

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Re: Practical tips for survival in biglaw

Postby Lexaholik » Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:30 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I guess this is related to surviving biglaw at least indirectly. Is it wise to rent a condo one or two blocks away from Grove St PATH station in NJ and do a 30-40 minute (google says its 33 minutes, but is it really?) commute to Midtown East 5-7 times a week? I could cut this commute down to 15-20 minutes if I rent a condo near the 4 5 in UES (forget Astoria sunnyside etc.) but is this alternative really worth spending an extra 7-9k a year (considering NYC tax, COL, increased fed tax, PATH card, could be more depending on my SO income)? I think its aprox 110 hours more at most in a car or train a year vs commuting from UES. Thanks in advance.


Not as bad of an idea as it seems. You'll likely take a black car home every night, so you're really talking about the morning commute. If you want to do Biglaw long term it may make sense to spend more to live closer, but if your goal is to be in Biglaw for as little time as possible (as I did) then this isn't a bad way to go.



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