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Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:10 pm
by Desert Fox
There are about a billion threads about post callback timelines. Stop trying to start some bizarre cavemanlike superstitions about recruting patterns and send some god damn job applications.

Also, you rejection letter is most likely waiting to be sent by a secretary, you'll get it in a week or two.

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:11 pm
by Anonymous User
INTIALS OF YOUR INTERVIEWER PLEZ?

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:14 pm
by RELIC
Desert Fox wrote:There are about a billion threads about post callback timelines. Stop trying to start some bizarre cavemanlike superstitions about recruting patterns and send some god damn job applications.

Also, you rejection letter is most likely waiting to be sent by a secretary, you'll get it in a week or two.

+1

This is very good advice.

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:34 pm
by Danger Zone
You are a sage and benevolent poaster, DF.

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:43 pm
by Tom Joad

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:28 am
by rouser
Good inspiration. I just mail-bombed a couple firms in the smaller town of my undergrad. One of them encouraged it but the other had nothing on their site about careers at all.

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:43 am
by rad lulz
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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:17 am
by bigbobbybass
Just out of curiosity, how many places have you mass-mailed? I know it depends person-to-person, market-to-market, but I'm just wondering. I'm up to 131.

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:24 am
by 5ky
rad lulz wrote:
rouser wrote:Good inspiration. I just mail-bombed a couple firms in the smaller town of my undergrad. One of them encouraged it but the other had nothing on their site about careers at all.

A couple?

Do more

What part of "apply like hell until you have a job" don't you people understand


the fact that the recession and major blood-letting happened 4-5 years ago now must have made people complacent. they assume legal hiring keeps getting better and better, which is most assuredly not the case.

i have a lot of sympathy for people who strike out at oci, but even if you're at a t14, if you're roughly median or below, you have to understand that you need to be doing way more. hell, i was around top 10% and was still firing off applications in july and august prior to my oci. you only really get one bite at the apple.

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:08 am
by KidStuddi
rad lulz wrote:A couple?

Do more

What part of "apply like hell until you have a job" don't you people understand


I have always maintained it's a K-JD symptom. These people whose entire life experience has been send out 5 apps to colleges, get in 4 places, send out 5 apps to law schools, get in 3 places. They just can't comprehend the possibility of not getting a job when they exceed the minimum credentials.

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:48 am
by rad lulz
KidStuddi wrote:
rad lulz wrote:A couple?

Do more

What part of "apply like hell until you have a job" don't you people understand


I have always maintained it's a K-JD symptom. These people whose entire life experience has been send out 5 apps to colleges, get in 4 places, send out 5 apps to law schools, get in 3 places. They just can't comprehend the possibility of not getting a job when they exceed the minimum credentials.

You may be right

See also threads like "GPA is # at [school] - what are my chances?"

Or "my GPA is # - what vault range do I get?"

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:56 am
by Anonymous User
can anyone link me to a hastings/berkeley/stanford bid list thread? thought this could give me a good place to start for mass mailing the bay area...

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:18 am
by Anonymous User
I've mass mailed some firms but heard nothing back from most (I've received one "thanks for sending us your info" and two "thanks but we're not interested"). Some of these firms I sent my info mid- to late- August. How do I go about following up?

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:19 am
by SportsFan
http://www.lawfirmstats.com

I've been looking through this site to help find firms to massmail. Just click on whatever state you want and go from there (it organizes firms by city). Far from a complete directory, but its a great place to start.

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:05 am
by NickDenver1
So far I've just been visiting firm websites and sending apps to recruiting people. Has anyone had success using resume launchpad though? I want to use it but I don't want it to look like I've used it.

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:08 am
by Anonymous User
NickDenver1 wrote:So far I've just been visiting firm websites and sending apps to recruiting people. Has anyone had success using resume launchpad though? I want to use it but I don't want it to look like I've used it.

Used it pre-OCI to mass mail a pretty big market that I don't have any ties to. Only responses I got were along the lines of "Hey we'll be at your schools OCI, talk to us then!" That said, there was nothing wrong with using it.

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:47 am
by hoos89
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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:15 pm
by Cavalier
Definitely good advice. Even people with great grades or 5+ callbacks strike out, and every day it gets more difficult to land interviews from mailings. Until you have an offer, it's stupid not to apply everywhere you can. You may take the attitidue "I'm top X% at a T14 and have Y callbacks, I don't need to waste my time on non-160 jobs" (that's how I felt at the time), but there's always the possibility that none of those callbacks will lead to an offer, and you don't want to start the application process for non-OCI firms in mid September.

I know several people who undperformed at OCI, mass-mailed their hometown markets in mid-late August, landed several interviews, and ultimately, a job. It may not have been the 160k NYC job they came to law school for, but making 100k at a midsize firm beats debtor's prison.

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:19 pm
by IAFG
Anyone can strike out. Great grades. LR. Great work experience. Well-connected people. People with a history of great interviewing. If you don't have an offer, assume you struck out.

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:04 pm
by bk1
This needs a serious bump. Heck, I'm tempted to sticky it.

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:02 am
by rad lulz
Do it

People never learn

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:35 am
by applepiecrust
Struck out despite 6 CBs from OCI last year; mass mailed like crazy (but still pretty much all major market big law) and wound up with another 6 CBs and 3 offers (and 1 rejection; turned down the other 2 CBs)

This advice is credited and feel free to message me if you want advice/moral support etc

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:29 am
by IAFG
Can we start putting together a big list of massmail firms by market? Maybe every firm people know of in their own markets that hire summers?

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:49 am
by NYstate
Just FYI:

Some people in the vale of years thread have used:
1. Tom mantos job list for policy oriented jobs (snowpeach)

2. Googling all the major companies in their area to mass mail outside of biglaw.

3. Niche area or specialty area job boards or forums.

Also suggested is tailoring cover letters to meet any posted job.
Note: people in the vale are looking for permanent jobs but it doesn't hurt while you are mailing for summer work to try some othe resources.

Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:42 am
by Anonymous User
Are y'all emailing the firms or actually sending out physical letters in the mail?
I've just been sending emails.