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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
Well, 3L has begun, and I just got rejected from my dream job (had callback, thought it went well, fork my life). I have heard nothing from either of my summer splits, and nothing from any applications I've sent out.
I think this is where I enter the Vale.
I'm still pushing and mass mailing, but things are looking pretty bleak.
I think this is where I enter the Vale.
I'm still pushing and mass mailing, but things are looking pretty bleak.
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
Just want to warn people that sometimes emails requesting interviews can end up in your spam folder.
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
HAHAHAHAHA one of my summer splits just told me they aren't hiring anyone, so fuckkkkkk metheswisswereright wrote: I have heard nothing from either of my summer splits, and nothing from any applications I've sent out.
EDIT: Accidental anon, I was quoting myself.
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
Holy shit. They couldn't have told you that at the beginning of the summer?Anonymous User wrote:HAHAHAHAHA one of my summer splits just told me they aren't hiring anyone, so fuckkkkkk metheswisswereright wrote: I have heard nothing from either of my summer splits, and nothing from any applications I've sent out.
EDIT: Accidental anon, I was quoting myself.
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
Nope! And at my exit interview they went on about how I did more work than anyone else, I'd hear back soon, etc. Nah.Anonymous User wrote:Holy shit. They couldn't have told you that at the beginning of the summer?Anonymous User wrote:HAHAHAHAHA one of my summer splits just told me they aren't hiring anyone, so fuckkkkkk metheswisswereright wrote: I have heard nothing from either of my summer splits, and nothing from any applications I've sent out.
EDIT: Accidental anon, I was quoting myself.
I'm also striking out at OCIs again, as it appears. I may actually die. Career services is SO SURE I'll be employed... MAYBE after I take the bar. I have cried so many times this week.
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
I interviewed with one whom I could tell had been looking for a while. They were courteous, intelligent, said all the right things, and were infinitely well prepared. I was impressed. I gave HR the go-ahead to make an offer a few hours after the interview.
They have been unable to contact this individual. Email bounces, and it seems phone calls are rejected because of an anti-spam app gone rogue.
TIP: After an interview, send thank you notes. When you get a business card, take that as an opportunity to later try to connect. (Minor Tip: I don't give out business cards to those whom I know I'm going to ding.) You never know what complications may arise.
They have been unable to contact this individual. Email bounces, and it seems phone calls are rejected because of an anti-spam app gone rogue.
TIP: After an interview, send thank you notes. When you get a business card, take that as an opportunity to later try to connect. (Minor Tip: I don't give out business cards to those whom I know I'm going to ding.) You never know what complications may arise.
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
Oh my gosh sucks for her/him!!! I wonder why the email would bounce though.. how did they even schedule the interview in the first place? I hope she/he checks back with your office and gets the offer. I feel so bad for that person right now, but then again I'm sitting here with no offer..Anonymous User wrote:I interviewed with one whom I could tell had been looking for a while. They were courteous, intelligent, said all the right things, and were infinitely well prepared. I was impressed. I gave HR the go-ahead to make an offer a few hours after the interview.
They have been unable to contact this individual. Email bounces, and it seems phone calls are rejected because of an anti-spam app gone rogue.
TIP: After an interview, send thank you notes. When you get a business card, take that as an opportunity to later try to connect. (Minor Tip: I don't give out business cards to those whom I know I'm going to ding.) You never know what complications may arise.
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
Any 3L movements? CBs, offers, openings??
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
I got an offer from K&E NYC.Anonymous User wrote:Any 3L movements? CBs, offers, openings??
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
Would the app block text messages too? Might be worth having HR send them a text via a personal cell phone to see if that gets around the app issue if you really want to get in touch with the person.Anonymous User wrote:I interviewed with one whom I could tell had been looking for a while. They were courteous, intelligent, said all the right things, and were infinitely well prepared. I was impressed. I gave HR the go-ahead to make an offer a few hours after the interview.
They have been unable to contact this individual. Email bounces, and it seems phone calls are rejected because of an anti-spam app gone rogue.
TIP: After an interview, send thank you notes. When you get a business card, take that as an opportunity to later try to connect. (Minor Tip: I don't give out business cards to those whom I know I'm going to ding.) You never know what complications may arise.
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
Weil NY is looking for 3Ls to place into their Real Estate and Structured Finance groupsAnonymous User wrote:Any 3L movements? CBs, offers, openings??
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
Jones Day in Dallas is looking for 3Ls for its transactional group.
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
Source? I don’t see a posting on their site.Anonymous User wrote:Jones Day in Dallas is looking for 3Ls for its transactional group.
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
What practice area of K&E did you get an offer from? (Litigation/Real Estate Restructuring etc.) and when did you apply?Anonymous User wrote:I got an offer from K&E NYC.Anonymous User wrote:Any 3L movements? CBs, offers, openings??
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
Career Services at my school sent an email to 3Ls.theswisswereright wrote:Source? I don’t see a posting on their site.Anonymous User wrote:Jones Day in Dallas is looking for 3Ls for its transactional group.
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
Gotcha. Thanks for sharing!Anonymous User wrote:Career Services at my school sent an email to 3Ls.theswisswereright wrote:Source? I don’t see a posting on their site.Anonymous User wrote:Jones Day in Dallas is looking for 3Ls for its transactional group.
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
Aw man. Congrats. I loved them. Enjoy your spiffy digsAnonymous User wrote:I got an offer from K&E NYC.Anonymous User wrote:Any 3L movements? CBs, offers, openings??
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
help please.
graduated near bottom of class (2017) at state school (ranked in the 20s), never did OCI, have sent firms my resume but don't include transcript.
to be honest, was working as a public defender and didn't like the legal profession. left within 3 months.
don't have any real legal connections and have been living at home and working retail/driving uber for the past few months.
currently live in california. thinking about going back to school for computer programming or something. anyone help?
graduated near bottom of class (2017) at state school (ranked in the 20s), never did OCI, have sent firms my resume but don't include transcript.
to be honest, was working as a public defender and didn't like the legal profession. left within 3 months.
don't have any real legal connections and have been living at home and working retail/driving uber for the past few months.
currently live in california. thinking about going back to school for computer programming or something. anyone help?
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
Legal Sector Adds Jobs in September After Two Months of Decline
By: Scott Flaherty
The uptick in legal services employment comes as the U.S. economy as a whole added jobs and unemployment dropped to its lowest level in decade.
https://www.law.com/thelegalintelligenc ... f-decline/
By: Scott Flaherty
The uptick in legal services employment comes as the U.S. economy as a whole added jobs and unemployment dropped to its lowest level in decade.
https://www.law.com/thelegalintelligenc ... f-decline/
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
Really? I feel like 3L OCI has been the worst, especially for those who dont have a prior SA. Or am I the only one who is not having any luck?MASH_Law wrote:Legal Sector Adds Jobs in September After Two Months of Decline
By: Scott Flaherty
The uptick in legal services employment comes as the U.S. economy as a whole added jobs and unemployment dropped to its lowest level in decade.
https://www.law.com/thelegalintelligenc ... f-decline/
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
same here. any 3L positions in CA? I am running out places to apply to
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Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)
Hahaha Ever feel like you’re under-qualified for big law, morally above shitlaw, and over-qualified for damn near everything else?TTH wrote:You're probably gonna have a hard time pulling down BIGRETAIL with all your credentials.Perseus_I wrote:I think it's probably better to work retail than to work in shitlaw. Better pay, better hours, and more upward potential.nevdash wrote:Anyone else seriously weighed the pros and cons of shitlaw vs. suicide?
I guess it would all depend on the flavor of the shitlaw. Low-end insurance defense or doc review is always going to be a grind with no end in sight. At least with plaintiff's work, you'll always have the dream of landing the right client and cashing in.
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)
Computer programming is good, because there are plenty of jobs out there for mediocre programmers and it pays to be mediocre. There are plenty of people graduating from comp sci programs with Bs and Cs working $70,000-$120,000 jobs. There are also various routes to fall back on if you don't like programming but have a background in it (a lot of people go into program management/product management or software sales).Anonymous User wrote:help please.
graduated near bottom of class (2017) at state school (ranked in the 20s), never did OCI, have sent firms my resume but don't include transcript.
to be honest, was working as a public defender and didn't like the legal profession. left within 3 months.
don't have any real legal connections and have been living at home and working retail/driving uber for the past few months.
currently live in california. thinking about going back to school for computer programming or something. anyone help?
However, the high end salaries you see, of mid-level software developers signing for $500,000+ are highly competitive. The pool of competition for software engineering jobs at those companies is much larger than in law - they recruit all around the world with lots of talent coming in from China, India, Europe. China for instance, has a huge STEM culture with many grads that go for these jobs. You'll be competing with people on immigration visas who unquestionably work 16 hour days to stay in the US.
If you're thinking of doing a coding bootcamp, typically people who excel in doing that have science or engineering backgrounds already. There are exceptions of people who didn't but they probably already had the natural aptitude (they could have majored in computer science or math in university if they wanted to). There are a lot of people out of those bootcamps that end up in $40,000 jobs, but you can work your way up to $70,000 pretty easily - in these types of roles you follow a similar career path as someone in Personal Injury or Insurance Defense (you hope to get lucky at a startup and make it big financially or you just climb a rough career ladder).
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Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)
I don't get the TLS belief that shitlaw is morally better than biglaw. They're both morally questionable, the difference being in biglaw you don't actually have to see the clients or witness the damage you've caused.Anonymous User wrote:Hahaha Ever feel like you’re under-qualified for big law, morally above shitlaw, and over-qualified for damn near everything else?TTH wrote:You're probably gonna have a hard time pulling down BIGRETAIL with all your credentials.Perseus_I wrote:I think it's probably better to work retail than to work in shitlaw. Better pay, better hours, and more upward potential.nevdash wrote:Anyone else seriously weighed the pros and cons of shitlaw vs. suicide?
I guess it would all depend on the flavor of the shitlaw. Low-end insurance defense or doc review is always going to be a grind with no end in sight. At least with plaintiff's work, you'll always have the dream of landing the right client and cashing in.
I wouldn't say you get better hours with retail (you work weekends, holidays). Amazon is known for brutal hours, and you'll be a drone just like at a big law firm, but to a way larger extent (1 out of 570,000 employees as opposed to 1 out of 2000). At least in law there's some sense of professionalism and they have to find a semi-competent JD holder to replace you because there's some sort of liability. In retail, you could probably be replaced in a couple of hours. There are a ludicrous amount of resumes for entry and mid-level positions at places like Amazon.
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Re: Mourning and Weeping in the Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting)
I don't think the above poster is arguing that small law is "morally better" than BigLaw. If anything, their "morally above shitlaw" claim suggests they view small law as morally worse.Anonymous User wrote:I don't get the TLS belief that shitlaw is morally better than biglaw. They're both morally questionable, the difference being in biglaw you don't actually have to see the clients or witness the damage you've caused.Anonymous User wrote:Hahaha Ever feel like you’re under-qualified for big law, morally above shitlaw, and over-qualified for damn near everything else?
FWIW I agree that most of BigLaw's probably better, morally speaking. It's generally large corporation v. large corporation (whether transactional or lit).
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