This is a wildly inaccurate post and I hope people don’t rely on this when making a decision.QContinuum wrote:I disagree. I would actually argue that for tip-top students at H, there are better possibilities at the margin than for tip-top students at C. Whether that margin is worth an extra $120k+ in loans (assuming "normal" max need-based aid, i.e., no medical conditions or children) is questionable (I personally don't think it's worth that much, esp. since no 0L going in ought to assume they'd be at the tip-top of the class), but there probably is a margin.Splurgles23 wrote:The bolded is false, especially for clerkships, but also for downstream considerations like small firms, and to a lesser extent, academia. A median student at H has better outcome possibilities AT THE MARGIN than a median student at Columbia. And the margin is often what matters in cases like this.QuentonCassidy wrote:if you are a top student at H (and thus in the position of reaching some of the "unicorn" outcomes that people tend to think YSH give some leg-up for) you would have been a top student at C and would be in essentially the same position to reach the top outcomes, but without 120k in debt (or more without max aid). If you are a median student at H, then you would probs be a median student at C, and once again have access to the same outcomes but without the debt.
But the median student at H is going to be getting a generically good BigLaw outcome - i.e., some V50 firm - which is exactly what a median student at C is gonna get. H isn't Y, where median students can slide into A3 clerkships with aplomb. Employers don't really care about Y grades because everyone looks the same save those at the tip-top. They do care about H grades.
And if you're bottom 10% at H, you're going to be in for a bit of a bumpy ride. I've heard opinions from H students that it'd actually be better to be bottom 10% at C than bottom 10% at H (due to H's gigantic class).
I was median at H after 1L, K-JD. I received offers from all the NY firms I interviewed with, including multiple V10s (yes, Cravath included). I applied for district court clerkships with 5 judges in a fairly large city, and was asked to interview four days after applying. I got the first clerkship I interviewed for.
All of my friends that wanted a clerkship got one. Applying takes effort and work and so some of my friends that decided 3L they wanted to clerk had to wait for a couple of years after grad.
I can’t speak to median at CLS. But to say that median at HLS gets some generic V50 jobs is factually inaccurate and borderline comical.