CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby MikeSpivey » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:32 pm

Huskies13! wrote:Stealing Spivey's thunder:

UF:
https://www.law.ufl.edu/admissions/appl ... ss-profile
Apps: 2884 (+181)
Class: 301 (-13)
155(-1)/161(+1)/163(+2)
3.37(+.04)/3.69(+.09)/3.81(+.04)


DAMN YOU! I actually knew it too, straight from the top. But wanted to get permission to share publicly and life happened. I should have just shared and begged for forgiveness later.

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby Huskies13! » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:00 pm

MikeSpivey wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Stealing Spivey's thunder:

UF:
https://www.law.ufl.edu/admissions/appl ... ss-profile
Apps: 2884 (+181)
Class: 301 (-13)
155(-1)/161(+1)/163(+2)
3.37(+.04)/3.69(+.09)/3.81(+.04)


DAMN YOU! I actually knew it too, straight from the top. But wanted to get permission to share publicly and life happened. I should have just shared and begged for forgiveness later.


Sorry...you work directly with them right? Amazing turnaround for them these past two years...top 30 looks like this year.

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby theboringest » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:09 pm

MikeSpivey wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Stealing Spivey's thunder:

UF:
https://www.law.ufl.edu/admissions/appl ... ss-profile
Apps: 2884 (+181)
Class: 301 (-13)
155(-1)/161(+1)/163(+2)
3.37(+.04)/3.69(+.09)/3.81(+.04)


DAMN YOU! I actually knew it too, straight from the top. But wanted to get permission to share publicly and life happened. I should have just shared and begged for forgiveness later.

That is pretty impressive, basically kept class size and bumped median/75th, congrats to you and UF both.

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby doggozeg » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:02 pm

sparkytrainer wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Duke:
https://law.duke.edu/admis/classprofile/
166(-1)/169(0)/170(0)
3.57(-.02)/3.75(-.01)/3.84(0)
214(-7)


Good news Duke held serve because not all t13s will be able to.


Go Duke!

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby Huskies13! » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:50 pm

Valpo:
posting.php?mode=reply&f=2&t=280617

28(-75!!!!)
151(+4)
3.23 (+.21)

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby Huskies13! » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:52 pm

Indiana (Maurer):
164 (-14)
161 (0)
3.75 (+.04)
http://www.theindianalawyer.com/article ... s-and-gpas

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Postby principalagent » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:53 pm

Huskies13! wrote:Valpo:
posting.php?mode=reply&f=2&t=280617

28(-75!!!!)
151(+4)
3.23 (+.21)


I'm sorry, what?

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Postby Huskies13! » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:53 pm

Indiana (McKinney):
http://www.theindianalawyer.com/article ... s-and-gpas

244 (-9)
153 (0)
3.45 (+.04)

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby Huskies13! » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:54 pm

Notre Dame:

http://www.theindianalawyer.com/article ... s-and-gpas
199 (+12)
163 (-1)
3.73 (+.02)

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby MikeSpivey » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:20 pm

principalagent wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Valpo:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/p ... 2&t=280617

28(-75!!!!)
151(+4)
3.23 (+.21)


I'm sorry, what?


They brought in a class of 28 people?

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby rowdy » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:26 pm

MikeSpivey wrote:
principalagent wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Valpo:
posting.php?mode=reply&f=2&t=280617

28(-75!!!!)
151(+4)
3.23 (+.21)


I'm sorry, what?


They brought in a class of 28 people?


Well, cinnamon and gravy

http://www.theindianalawyer.com/article ... s-and-gpas

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby Mikey » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:36 pm

lmao, 28? that is terrible

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby Pozzo » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:53 pm

rowdy wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:
principalagent wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Valpo:
posting.php?mode=reply&f=2&t=280617

28(-75!!!!)
151(+4)
3.23 (+.21)


I'm sorry, what?


They brought in a class of 28 people?


Well, cinnamon and gravy

http://www.theindianalawyer.com/article ... s-and-gpas

:shock:

I mean, great gains for LSAT and GPA. Assuming they can whether a couple year of hyper-selective cycles like this, that gamble may just pay off...

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby principalagent » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:56 pm

Watch a school next year float up to mid 3.x low 160s by just bringing in 7 people :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby personofinterest » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:02 pm

principalagent wrote:Watch a school next year float up to mid 3.x low 160s by just bringing in 7 people :lol: :lol: :lol:


Crazy that it went from over two hundred to 28 in just a few years. At what point does a law school become an apprenticeship program?

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby rowdy » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:03 pm

personofinterest wrote:
principalagent wrote:Watch a school next year float up to mid 3.x low 160s by just bringing in 7 people :lol: :lol: :lol:


Crazy that it went from over two hundred to 28 in just a few years. At what point does a law school become an apprenticeship program?


You have to respect a school for not just admitting hundreds of people with no chance of passing the bar, though

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby principalagent » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:05 pm

rowdy wrote:You have to respect a school for not just admitting hundreds of people with no chance of passing the bar, though


This is fair. Many schools would do well to take their lead, just perhaps not as dramatically. But $$$

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby MikeSpivey » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:16 pm

rowdy wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:
principalagent wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Valpo:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/p ... 2&t=280617

28(-75!!!!)
151(+4)
3.23 (+.21)


I'm sorry, what?


They brought in a class of 28 people?


Well, cinnamon and gravy

http://www.theindianalawyer.com/article ... s-and-gpas


John Maynard Keynes once famously said "markets can remain irrational longer than you can stay solvent"

I'm reminded of this where "you" is Valpo law school.

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby Huskies13! » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:27 pm

Keeping it going:

Drake:
http://www.drake.edu/law/about/class-profile/

Apps: 498 (-45)
Class: 105 (-2)
149(-1)/152(-1)/156
3.09(+.09)/3.38(+.05)/3.61(-.01)

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby vcap180 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:43 pm

MikeSpivey wrote:
rowdy wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:
principalagent wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Valpo:
posting.php?mode=reply&f=2&t=280617

28(-75!!!!)
151(+4)
3.23 (+.21)


I'm sorry, what?


They brought in a class of 28 people?


Well, cinnamon and gravy

http://www.theindianalawyer.com/article ... s-and-gpas


John Maynard Keynes once famously said "markets can remain irrational longer than you can stay solvent"

I'm reminded of this where "you" is Valpo law school.



Assuming they really have an incoming class of 28, I wouldn't be surprised if their employment score was like 90% and their BLFC score was over 50%. USNEWS' "resource dollars per student" metric or whatever it is will also be grossly inflated. They're gonna be an anomaly this year. Will be interesting to see what happens with their rank.

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby MikeSpivey » Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:05 pm

vcap180 wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:
rowdy wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:
principalagent wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Valpo:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/p ... 2&t=280617

28(-75!!!!)
151(+4)
3.23 (+.21)


I'm sorry, what?


They brought in a class of 28 people?


Well, cinnamon and gravy

http://www.theindianalawyer.com/article ... s-and-gpas


John Maynard Keynes once famously said "markets can remain irrational longer than you can stay solvent"

I'm reminded of this where "you" is Valpo law school.



Assuming they really have an incoming class of 28, I wouldn't be surprised if their employment score was like 90% and their BLFC score was over 50%. USNEWS' "resource dollars per student" metric or whatever it is will also be grossly inflated. They're gonna be an anomaly this year. Will be interesting to see what happens with their rank.


On the flip side, the biggest metric impact USNWR rankings are the prestige ratings. A school that goes from a class of 103 to class of 28 is going to certainly turn some heads on that level. And not in the right direction -- this will make some of the media rounds to the wrong people. Also the employment metric won't be impacted for 3+ years. Resource dollars per student is generally most impacted by faculty salary, but yea obviously this will impact it positively for them. But you can't pay anyone with that enrollment, so they get maybe a 1 year bump in the rankings at a spot that isn't much noticed anyway, and then have to make up for it next year and regress right back.

I dunno. I just don't think this was intentional or strategic. Certainly I could be wrong. Maybe they hit the fundraising jackpot?

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby vcap180 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:17 pm

MikeSpivey wrote:
vcap180 wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:
rowdy wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:
principalagent wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:Valpo:
posting.php?mode=reply&f=2&t=280617

28(-75!!!!)
151(+4)
3.23 (+.21)


I'm sorry, what?


They brought in a class of 28 people?


Well, cinnamon and gravy

http://www.theindianalawyer.com/article ... s-and-gpas


John Maynard Keynes once famously said "markets can remain irrational longer than you can stay solvent"

I'm reminded of this where "you" is Valpo law school.



Assuming they really have an incoming class of 28, I wouldn't be surprised if their employment score was like 90% and their BLFC score was over 50%. USNEWS' "resource dollars per student" metric or whatever it is will also be grossly inflated. They're gonna be an anomaly this year. Will be interesting to see what happens with their rank.


On the flip side, the biggest metric impact USNWR rankings are the prestige ratings. I school that goes from a class of 103 to class of 28 is going to certainly turn some heads on that level though. And not in the right direction -- this will make some of the media rounds to the wrong people. Also the employment metric won't be impacted for 3+ years. Resource dollars per student is generally most impacted by faculty salary, but ye obviously this will impact it positively for them. But you can't pay anyone with that enrollment, so they get maybe a 1 year bump in the rankings at a spot that isn't much noticed anyway, and then have to make up for it next year and regress right back.

I dunno. I just don't think this was intentional or strategic. Certainly I could be wrong. Maybe they hit the fundraising jackpot?



Well said. Certainly couldn't (or shouldn't) have been a strategic move. And I can't imagine valpo hit a fundraising jackpot hahaha.

Would you agree that the students in this class are probably in an incidental, bizarrely good position? I can't see how they will have ANY unemployed and seeking students in a class of 28. The career services dept would have to be egregiously inept, wouldn't it?!

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby Platopus » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:01 pm

vcap180 wrote:
Would you agree that the students in this class are probably in an incidental, bizarrely good position? I can't see how they will have ANY unemployed and seeking students in a class of 28. The career services dept would have to be egregiously inept, wouldn't it?!


IDK, might have some weird implications for grading and what not.

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Postby TirantMartorell » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:40 pm

Huskies13! wrote:Notre Dame:

http://www.theindianalawyer.com/article ... s-and-gpas
199 (+12)
163 (-1)
3.73 (+.02)


The LSAT score seems to be incorrect.

Notre Dame
Number of students: 199
Median LSAT: 164
Median GPA: 3.73
Percentage who are female: 45
Percentage who are minorities: 28

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Re: CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE)

Postby vcap180 » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:31 am

Platopus wrote:
vcap180 wrote:
Would you agree that the students in this class are probably in an incidental, bizarrely good position? I can't see how they will have ANY unemployed and seeking students in a class of 28. The career services dept would have to be egregiously inept, wouldn't it?!


IDK, might have some weird implications for grading and what not.


In a class of 28, I can't see how grades would even matter. Even though it's a shiTTTTy school, it's hard to imagine that an ABA accredited school, through its career services, faculty, alumni, random ass connections, and whatever else, could fail to find a whopping 28 jobs within 10 months of the 2020 class' graduation - even if the jobs are mostly shitlaw, I'm sure they can scrounge up 28 of them. I'd be baffled if that class had less than a 90% FTLT employment score - and it should be 100.

Hell, if they can send 6 kids to a large firm, they will be comfortably over 20% for biglaw lol - comparable to schools like Georgia and Alabama!

This is obviously a train wreck, I'm just noting that the kids in that class may experience a bizarre twist of fortune.




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