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- Future Ex-Engineer
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Re: Good stats but no WE at all
As a Native American with those stats, you could probably have killed someone and still been an auto admit at Harvard, so I think you'll probably do fine.Tha_Trademark wrote:175/4.0/URM (Native American). Obviously stats are great and I'm working hard on essays/LOR/etc. But, I've never had an internship or any office-environment type work experience. All I have is some extremely sporadic part-time stuff. As a K-JD, will the lack of WE raise too many red flags and sink my chances at top schools?
But, if you don't do well this upcoming cycle, just sit a year and get some work experience - your scores will be good for a few years, and there's no rush to go to school.
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Re: Good stats but no WE at all
You're stats are so good that I'm almost tempted to call troll. No, WE won't matter even in the slightest. You will be accepted literally to every school you apply to, seriously.
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Re: Good stats but no WE at all
Ehh, Yale might not let him in if his application is bad.Platopus wrote:You're stats are so good that I'm almost tempted to call troll. No, WE won't matter even in the slightest. You will be accepted literally to every school you apply to, seriously.
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Re: Good stats but no WE at all
Yeah, you're actually probably right. I'll tone back my original statement: OP you have very good chances at every school. The lack of WE won't hurt you. It's not doing you any favors, but don't keep yourself up at night.mrgstephe wrote:Ehh, Yale might not let him in if his application is bad.Platopus wrote:You're stats are so good that I'm almost tempted to call troll. No, WE won't matter even in the slightest. You will be accepted literally to every school you apply to, seriously.
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- UVA2B
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Re: Good stats but no WE at all
I really hope you get/take a full ride to a T13 over paying exorbitantly for H. Most options will likely be on the table (allowing for YP and some variability in admissions).
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Re: Good stats but no WE at all
What? Great numbers but not troll numbers. No one's a lock at YS, and lack of WE can hurt even those with high numbers (particularly when it comes to scholarships).Platopus wrote:You're stats are so good that I'm almost tempted to call troll. No, WE won't matter even in the slightest. You will be accepted literally to every school you apply to, seriously.
OP, you should do very well regardless. That said, there are many advantages and no disadvantages to taking a year off to get WE, and you should seriously consider it.
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Re: Good stats but no WE at all
I would happily sign off on requiring people answer "Are you K-JD?" with a follow-on question of "What is your compelling reason to not take a year off to figure out your professional fate for your foreseeable future?"Alexandros wrote:What? Great numbers but not troll numbers. No one's a lock at YS, and lack of WE can hurt even those with high numbers (particularly when it comes to scholarships).Platopus wrote:You're stats are so good that I'm almost tempted to call troll. No, WE won't matter even in the slightest. You will be accepted literally to every school you apply to, seriously.
OP, you should do very well regardless. That said, there are many advantages and no disadvantages to taking a year off to get WE, and you should seriously consider it.
People would ignore answering that question, but it's so incredibly valid.
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Re: Good stats but no WE at all
A URM with a 4.0 and a 175 stating that they are worrying that a lack WE will "sink my chances at a top school" is a bit hyperbolic. Sure, nothing is guaranteed, especially YS, but let's be real. OP has about as good of a shot as anyone can get. The sample size is undoubtedly very,very small, but that speaks volumes in itself:Alexandros wrote:What? Great numbers but not troll numbers. No one's a lock at YS, and lack of WE can hurt even those with high numbers (particularly when it comes to scholarships).Platopus wrote:You're stats are so good that I'm almost tempted to call troll. No, WE won't matter even in the slightest. You will be accepted literally to every school you apply to, seriously.
OP, you should do very well regardless. That said, there are many advantages and no disadvantages to taking a year off to get WE, and you should seriously consider it.
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Re: Good stats but no WE at all
I'm not questioning that - Just the troll accusation.Platopus wrote:A URM with a 4.0 and a 175 stating that they are worrying that a lack WE will "sink my chances at a top school" is a bit hyperbolic. Sure, nothing is guaranteed, especially YS, but let's be real. OP has about as good of a shot as anyone can get. The sample size is undoubtedly very,very small, but that speaks volumes in itself:Alexandros wrote:What? Great numbers but not troll numbers. No one's a lock at YS, and lack of WE can hurt even those with high numbers (particularly when it comes to scholarships).Platopus wrote:You're stats are so good that I'm almost tempted to call troll. No, WE won't matter even in the slightest. You will be accepted literally to every school you apply to, seriously.
OP, you should do very well regardless. That said, there are many advantages and no disadvantages to taking a year off to get WE, and you should seriously consider it.
A sample of 3 cannot really be trusted - No one has better than a coin flip chance at YS. My point about WE still stands.
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Re: Good stats but no WE at all
Everything about those numbers is hyperbolic, tbf. This could very well be 2-3 people who have provided data to LSN (and that's assuming it's accurate).Platopus wrote:A URM with a 4.0 and a 175 stating that they are worrying that a lack WE will "sink my chances at a top school" is a bit hyperbolic. Sure, nothing is guaranteed, especially YS, but let's be real. OP has about as good of a shot as anyone can get. The sample size is undoubtedly very,very small, but that speaks volumes in itself:Alexandros wrote:What? Great numbers but not troll numbers. No one's a lock at YS, and lack of WE can hurt even those with high numbers (particularly when it comes to scholarships).Platopus wrote:You're stats are so good that I'm almost tempted to call troll. No, WE won't matter even in the slightest. You will be accepted literally to every school you apply to, seriously.
OP, you should do very well regardless. That said, there are many advantages and no disadvantages to taking a year off to get WE, and you should seriously consider it.
The simple reality is that the OP should perfect their apps to the best of their abilities (downplay lack of WE, show academic achievement), and apply broadly within the T13. No one can chance the OP accurately because they are 1/32 Native American identifying with multiple tribes. Nothing about their applications will be objectively easy to chance.
OP, make your applications flawless. Seriously, read through every letter with a fine-toothed comb. Get help from people you trust (to possibly include TLS if you find this hive mind trustworthy). And then submit. No one here can reliably give you insight into how your applications will turn out.
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Re: Good stats but no WE at all
I think you're in excellent shape with those numbers; the lack of W/E won't hurt you. Nonetheless, don't take that as an opportunity to slack off on your personal statement or recommenders. Put in your best effort and you will be rewarded.
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Re: Good stats but no WE at all
I think even Yale would take a NA 4.0/175 if their whole personal statement was "Admit me"Future Ex-Engineer wrote:Ehh, Yale might not let him in if his application is bad.Platopus wrote:You're stats are so good that I'm almost tempted to call troll. No, WE won't matter even in the slightest. You will be accepted literally to every school you apply to, seriously.
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- Future Ex-Engineer
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Re: Good stats but no WE at all
Perhaps, but reading a bit further into it, this guy is 1/32nd NA.jjcorvino wrote:I think even Yale would take a NA 4.0/175 if their whole personal statement was "Admit me"Future Ex-Engineer wrote:Ehh, Yale might not let him in if his application is bad.Platopus wrote:You're stats are so good that I'm almost tempted to call troll. No, WE won't matter even in the slightest. You will be accepted literally to every school you apply to, seriously.
Off topic, but I'm technically 1/16 Cherokee. Seems like a slightly messed up system if 1/32nd gets some magic edge over 1/16 just because it's harder to claim a certain tribe over others. IDK. Probably not the place for this discussion, just seems a bit odd.
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Re: Good stats but no WE at all
4.0/175 is probably a better than 75% chance at Yale even without the URM status.Future Ex-Engineer wrote:Perhaps, but reading a bit further into it, this guy is 1/32nd NA.jjcorvino wrote:I think even Yale would take a NA 4.0/175 if their whole personal statement was "Admit me"Future Ex-Engineer wrote:Ehh, Yale might not let him in if his application is bad.Platopus wrote:You're stats are so good that I'm almost tempted to call troll. No, WE won't matter even in the slightest. You will be accepted literally to every school you apply to, seriously.
Off topic, but I'm technically 1/16 Cherokee. Seems like a slightly messed up system if 1/32nd gets some magic edge over 1/16 just because it's harder to claim a certain tribe over others. IDK. Probably not the place for this discussion, just seems a bit odd.
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Re: Good stats but no WE at all
Agreed that it is a very high chance. My initial statement was just an argument that it wouldn't be automatic acceptance at Yale, which I still stand by. None of us know exactly how Yale admissions works, and an awful application could very well get denied.jjcorvino wrote:4.0/175 is probably a better than 75% chance at Yale even without the URM status.Future Ex-Engineer wrote:Perhaps, but reading a bit further into it, this guy is 1/32nd NA.jjcorvino wrote:I think even Yale would take a NA 4.0/175 if their whole personal statement was "Admit me"Future Ex-Engineer wrote:Ehh, Yale might not let him in if his application is bad.Platopus wrote:You're stats are so good that I'm almost tempted to call troll. No, WE won't matter even in the slightest. You will be accepted literally to every school you apply to, seriously.
Off topic, but I'm technically 1/16 Cherokee. Seems like a slightly messed up system if 1/32nd gets some magic edge over 1/16 just because it's harder to claim a certain tribe over others. IDK. Probably not the place for this discussion, just seems a bit odd.
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Re: Good stats but no WE at all
I agree, even though I'm convinced OP is almost certainly a lock, I will agree that if he/she is careless in his/her personal statement, Y250, etc., it will come off as cocky and could certainly be a ding. OP still has a lot of work to put in, but it's his/hers to lose, IMO.Future Ex-Engineer wrote:Agreed that it is a very high chance. My initial statement was just an argument that it wouldn't be automatic acceptance at Yale, which I still stand by. None of us know exactly how Yale admissions works, and an awful application could very well get denied.jjcorvino wrote:4.0/175 is probably a better than 75% chance at Yale even without the URM status.Future Ex-Engineer wrote:Perhaps, but reading a bit further into it, this guy is 1/32nd NA.jjcorvino wrote:I think even Yale would take a NA 4.0/175 if their whole personal statement was "Admit me"Future Ex-Engineer wrote:Ehh, Yale might not let him in if his application is bad.Platopus wrote:You're stats are so good that I'm almost tempted to call troll. No, WE won't matter even in the slightest. You will be accepted literally to every school you apply to, seriously.
Off topic, but I'm technically 1/16 Cherokee. Seems like a slightly messed up system if 1/32nd gets some magic edge over 1/16 just because it's harder to claim a certain tribe over others. IDK. Probably not the place for this discussion, just seems a bit odd.
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- A. Nony Mouse
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Re: Good stats but no WE at all
Tribal membership is determined by the tribe; it's not always about blood quantum. It's more a political identity than racial. Someone who's 1/32 may actually be a more involved member of a tribe and identify far more as Native than someone who's 1/16. (I know Cherokee is particularly hard though.)Future Ex-Engineer wrote:Perhaps, but reading a bit further into it, this guy is 1/32nd NA.jjcorvino wrote:I think even Yale would take a NA 4.0/175 if their whole personal statement was "Admit me"Future Ex-Engineer wrote:Ehh, Yale might not let him in if his application is bad.Platopus wrote:You're stats are so good that I'm almost tempted to call troll. No, WE won't matter even in the slightest. You will be accepted literally to every school you apply to, seriously.
Off topic, but I'm technically 1/16 Cherokee. Seems like a slightly messed up system if 1/32nd gets some magic edge over 1/16 just because it's harder to claim a certain tribe over others. IDK. Probably not the place for this discussion, just seems a bit odd.
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Re: Good stats but no WE at all
Who cares if Yale lets OP in or not. OPs got a Ruby with their name on it. Personally, I would work for a year or two with an eye on making sure law was what I wanted to do and on acquiring stories for job interviews. Also, for the sake of not being k-jd.
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