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Penn or Duke Law?

Postby badgalriri9 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:33 pm

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Re: Penn or Duke Law?

Postby ponderingmeerkat » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:35 pm

I'd take Duke. Slightly cheaper given COL and almost the same hiring stats.

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Re: Penn or Duke Law?

Postby grades?? » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:38 pm

Duke will be cheaper, better weather, and has better employment stats? Seems like an easy decision

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Re: Penn or Duke Law?

Postby CR7 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:40 pm

How are you financing the cost? If you have savings to cover the difference I would go to Penn...if not go to duke

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Re: Penn or Duke Law?

Postby badgalriri9 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:58 pm

CR7 wrote:How are you financing the cost? If you have savings to cover the difference I would go to Penn...if not go to duke


I'll be taking loans. I guess my problem is that I love cities and I thought Philly was fun and affordable. Also I'm not K-JD but I did ask my family for advice and they're all about rankings and want me to take Chicago or Columbia over the money. So even though I know ranking won't matter in my career (standard big law to in house counsel), my family keeps making me consider it, which is why I'm still having trouble deciding.

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Re: Penn or Duke Law?

Postby grades?? » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:02 pm

badgalriri9 wrote:
CR7 wrote:How are you financing the cost? If you have savings to cover the difference I would go to Penn...if not go to duke


I'll be taking loans. I guess my problem is that I love cities and I thought Philly was fun and affordable. Also I'm not K-JD but I did ask my family for advice and they're all about rankings and want me to take Chicago or Columbia over the money. So even though I know ranking won't matter in my career (standard big law to in house counsel), my family keeps making me consider it, which is why I'm still having trouble deciding.



Penn is going to end up costing you at least 60k+ more because of COL differences and the tuition differences. That is a year of tuition. Rankings don't really matter. What matters is maximizing your employment outcomes with what are the likely outcomes. Duke has the 2nd highest employment rate in the t13 (total employment) and the 3rd highest BL+FC rate, both being above Penns rates. Penn isn't that far behind, but it will cost you significantly more for slightly worse possible outcome.

Its your money, do what you want, but I rather take the better likely outcomes and save a boatload of cash while doing it.

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Re: Penn or Duke Law?

Postby badgalriri9 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:34 pm

grades?? wrote:
badgalriri9 wrote:
CR7 wrote:How are you financing the cost? If you have savings to cover the difference I would go to Penn...if not go to duke


I'll be taking loans. I guess my problem is that I love cities and I thought Philly was fun and affordable. Also I'm not K-JD but I did ask my family for advice and they're all about rankings and want me to take Chicago or Columbia over the money. So even though I know ranking won't matter in my career (standard big law to in house counsel), my family keeps making me consider it, which is why I'm still having trouble deciding.



Penn is going to end up costing you at least 60k+ more because of COL differences and the tuition differences. That is a year of tuition. Rankings don't really matter. What matters is maximizing your employment outcomes with what are the likely outcomes. Duke has the 2nd highest employment rate in the t13 (total employment) and the 3rd highest BL+FC rate, both being above Penns rates. Penn isn't that far behind, but it will cost you significantly more for slightly worse possible outcome.

Its your money, do what you want, but I rather take the better likely outcomes and save a boatload of cash while doing it.


Thanks for the insight! I know Penn isn't worth more than Duke at the end of the day. Also, all my non-legal acquaintances seem to dislike Penn for some reason. Just wondering though, how did you get the 60k figure? I've been using the figure on both schools' websites, which are similar. Also I won't need health insurance so I've been cutting that out as well.

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Re: Penn or Duke Law?

Postby Po$eidon » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:38 pm

badgalriri9 wrote:
grades?? wrote:
badgalriri9 wrote:
CR7 wrote:How are you financing the cost? If you have savings to cover the difference I would go to Penn...if not go to duke


I'll be taking loans. I guess my problem is that I love cities and I thought Philly was fun and affordable. Also I'm not K-JD but I did ask my family for advice and they're all about rankings and want me to take Chicago or Columbia over the money. So even though I know ranking won't matter in my career (standard big law to in house counsel), my family keeps making me consider it, which is why I'm still having trouble deciding.



Penn is going to end up costing you at least 60k+ more because of COL differences and the tuition differences. That is a year of tuition. Rankings don't really matter. What matters is maximizing your employment outcomes with what are the likely outcomes. Duke has the 2nd highest employment rate in the t13 (total employment) and the 3rd highest BL+FC rate, both being above Penns rates. Penn isn't that far behind, but it will cost you significantly more for slightly worse possible outcome.

Its your money, do what you want, but I rather take the better likely outcomes and save a boatload of cash while doing it.


Thanks for the insight! I know Penn isn't worth more than Duke at the end of the day. Also, all my non-legal acquaintances seem to dislike Penn for some reason. Just wondering though, how did you get the 60k figure? I've been using the figure on both schools' websites, which are similar. Also I won't need health insurance so I've been cutting that out as well.


Mixing it up with Penn State?

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Re: Penn or Duke Law?

Postby CR7 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:51 pm

badgalriri9 wrote:
CR7 wrote:How are you financing the cost? If you have savings to cover the difference I would go to Penn...if not go to duke


I'll be taking loans. I guess my problem is that I love cities and I thought Philly was fun and affordable. Also I'm not K-JD but I did ask my family for advice and they're all about rankings and want me to take Chicago or Columbia over the money. So even though I know ranking won't matter in my career (standard big law to in house counsel), my family keeps making me consider it, which is why I'm still having trouble deciding.


Depends on what your career track is, Penn is respected as highly as those two schools and slightly above duke in the legal world (based on my experience at east coast firms)

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Re: Penn or Duke Law?

Postby rpupkin » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:43 pm

CR7 wrote:
badgalriri9 wrote:
CR7 wrote:How are you financing the cost? If you have savings to cover the difference I would go to Penn...if not go to duke


I'll be taking loans. I guess my problem is that I love cities and I thought Philly was fun and affordable. Also I'm not K-JD but I did ask my family for advice and they're all about rankings and want me to take Chicago or Columbia over the money. So even though I know ranking won't matter in my career (standard big law to in house counsel), my family keeps making me consider it, which is why I'm still having trouble deciding.


Depends on what your career track is, Penn is respected as highly as those two schools and slightly above duke in the legal world (based on my experience at east coast firms)


I disagree with this. It's easier to see daylight between Penn and Chicago/CLS than it is to see separation between Penn and Duke. All those schools are fairly close, though, as OP has correctly recognized.

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Re: Penn or Duke Law?

Postby OhBoyOhBortles » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:57 pm

grades?? wrote:Duke will be cheaper, better weather, and has better employment stats? Seems like an easy decision


Biased, but +1

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Re: Penn or Duke Law?

Postby chargers21 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:14 am

If it helps, I'm taking the money at Duke over UChicago, and I'm from near Chicago.

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Re: Penn or Duke Law?

Postby badgalriri9 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:45 am

Thanks for the advice everyone! I know Duke is the better option. Just wondering if someone could help me understand why the difference between the two schools would be $60,000, when I calculated it to be $23,000 (I subtracted medical insurance from the costs because I'll be under my parents').

If someone could help me see how the difference is $60k, I wouldn't even think for a second before depositing at Duke. I just used the COA listed on each schools' website.

Thank you!

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Re: Penn or Duke Law?

Postby grades?? » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:48 am

badgalriri9 wrote:Thanks for the advice everyone! I know Duke is the better option. Just wondering if someone could help me understand why the difference between the two schools would be $60,000, when I calculated it to be $23,000 (I subtracted medical insurance from the costs because I'll be under my parents').

If someone could help me see how the difference is $60k, I wouldn't even think for a second before depositing at Duke. I just used the COA listed on each schools' website.

Thank you!


Duke overestimates their COA so students can take out more money in loans than necessary because emergencies happen. You can share a great house in durham for 600 a month. Doubt that can happen in philly. Over three years, you will almost assuredly pay 36k less in rent than philly.




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