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There are limits to how many times you can take GRE - up to 5 times in calendar year (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/faq)grades?? wrote:But the next question is can someone take the gre 15 times until they get a great score and then apply with just that score? I know for many phd programs they do what undergrads do with the sat- take the highest section scores and combine them. So I could take the test 15 times and just get perfect scores on both sections at different times and combine them. That is a norm with gre phd admissions, but certainly not Lsat law school admissions. I wonder how they will deal with this.
This is exactly right and touches upon what I said earlier which someone called a bold and incorrect assumption without explaining further.Scurvy Cur wrote:IIRC, it's a little broader than that, because a flawless score in the analytical section of the GRE is like 96th percentile; there are loads of STEM majors who take the test, and a lots of them only get the analytical questions wrong when they make a dumb mistake. The verbal section is a little more tightly-pegged at the high end, but it's still not incredibly difficult to do exceedingly well on.34iplaw wrote: Well, that and the need to outlay $200k for tuition plus all of the other time to get stuff sorted for applications. That said, I get why people would be upset. I think this is mostly going to hurt fringe admits, and the high GRE will replace their low LSATs. Due to the way the tests are structured, there isn't really an equivalent to a 176 on the GRE. A perfect score on the GRE roughly encompasses the entire band of 172-180 if we go by percentiles.
My own personal experience, having taken both tests, is that the GRE is a cakewalk. I took a day off of studying for the LSAT to go over a GRE practice test and brush up on formal geometry a couple of days before sitting for the GRE, and got perfect score on it. I'd be seriously shocked if someone who did reasonably well on the LSAT was unable to crush the GRE.
I don't necessarily disagree with the premise of the statement but I'd be curious to see if the original poster indeed got a perfect score on a practice GRE or the actual GRE. Because as someone who took GRE and got into several M7 business schools with the score, I think people are really underestimating the difficulty of GRE.freekick wrote:This is exactly right and touches upon what I said earlier which someone called a bold and incorrect assumption without explaining further.Scurvy Cur wrote:IIRC, it's a little broader than that, because a flawless score in the analytical section of the GRE is like 96th percentile; there are loads of STEM majors who take the test, and a lots of them only get the analytical questions wrong when they make a dumb mistake. The verbal section is a little more tightly-pegged at the high end, but it's still not incredibly difficult to do exceedingly well on.34iplaw wrote: Well, that and the need to outlay $200k for tuition plus all of the other time to get stuff sorted for applications. That said, I get why people would be upset. I think this is mostly going to hurt fringe admits, and the high GRE will replace their low LSATs. Due to the way the tests are structured, there isn't really an equivalent to a 176 on the GRE. A perfect score on the GRE roughly encompasses the entire band of 172-180 if we go by percentiles.
My own personal experience, having taken both tests, is that the GRE is a cakewalk. I took a day off of studying for the LSAT to go over a GRE practice test and brush up on formal geometry a couple of days before sitting for the GRE, and got perfect score on it. I'd be seriously shocked if someone who did reasonably well on the LSAT was unable to crush the GRE.
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Actual GRE was 170/170; LSAT was 171 (though part of me stubbornly wants to believe I could have done better).ImGonnaTakeGRE wrote:I don't necessarily disagree with the premise of the statement but I'd be curious to see if the original poster indeed got a perfect score on a practice GRE or the actual GRE. Because as someone who took GRE and got into several M7 business schools with the score, I think people are really underestimating the difficulty of GRE.freekick wrote:This is exactly right and touches upon what I said earlier which someone called a bold and incorrect assumption without explaining further.Scurvy Cur wrote:IIRC, it's a little broader than that, because a flawless score in the analytical section of the GRE is like 96th percentile; there are loads of STEM majors who take the test, and a lots of them only get the analytical questions wrong when they make a dumb mistake. The verbal section is a little more tightly-pegged at the high end, but it's still not incredibly difficult to do exceedingly well on.34iplaw wrote: Well, that and the need to outlay $200k for tuition plus all of the other time to get stuff sorted for applications. That said, I get why people would be upset. I think this is mostly going to hurt fringe admits, and the high GRE will replace their low LSATs. Due to the way the tests are structured, there isn't really an equivalent to a 176 on the GRE. A perfect score on the GRE roughly encompasses the entire band of 172-180 if we go by percentiles.
My own personal experience, having taken both tests, is that the GRE is a cakewalk. I took a day off of studying for the LSAT to go over a GRE practice test and brush up on formal geometry a couple of days before sitting for the GRE, and got perfect score on it. I'd be seriously shocked if someone who did reasonably well on the LSAT was unable to crush the GRE.
Ah understood - I was going off of maybe aggregates? Not really sure. I think the source was ETS. I haven't sat for the actual test, but I took a practice one on Manhattan Prep last night at like 1:30am-3:00am. Scored ~164 cold with 10-15 min left per section, being fairly lackadaisical, and even just flat out skipping problems that required much writing (i.e. a handful of math ones that were easy but just required ~10 calc). I was considering applying for dual degree (JDMBA or JDMUP) while in law school. Def ignoring the GMAT for now.Scurvy Cur wrote:IIRC, it's a little broader than that, because a flawless score in the analytical section of the GRE is like 96th percentile; there are loads of STEM majors who take the test, and a lots of them only get the analytical questions wrong when they make a dumb mistake. The verbal section is a little more tightly-pegged at the high end, but it's still not incredibly difficult to do exceedingly well on.34iplaw wrote: Well, that and the need to outlay $200k for tuition plus all of the other time to get stuff sorted for applications. That said, I get why people would be upset. I think this is mostly going to hurt fringe admits, and the high GRE will replace their low LSATs. Due to the way the tests are structured, there isn't really an equivalent to a 176 on the GRE. A perfect score on the GRE roughly encompasses the entire band of 172-180 if we go by percentiles.
My own personal experience, having taken both tests, is that the GRE is a cakewalk. I took a day off of studying for the LSAT to go over a GRE practice test and brush up on formal geometry a couple of days before sitting for the GRE, and got perfect score on it. I'd be seriously shocked if someone who did reasonably well on the LSAT was unable to crush the GRE.
There are limits to how many times you can take GRE - up to 5 times in calendar year (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/faq)ImGonnaTakeGRE wrote:grades?? wrote:But the next question is can someone take the gre 15 times until they get a great score and then apply with just that score? I know for many phd programs they do what undergrads do with the sat- take the highest section scores and combine them. So I could take the test 15 times and just get perfect scores on both sections at different times and combine them. That is a norm with gre phd admissions, but certainly not Lsat law school admissions. I wonder how they will deal with this.
Wait till you hear this - you can choose to send only the GRE scores you want to send. You can't combine scores from different exam dates but still huge benefit of GREgrades?? wrote:There are limits to how many times you can take GRE - up to 5 times in calendar year (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/faq)ImGonnaTakeGRE wrote:grades?? wrote:But the next question is can someone take the gre 15 times until they get a great score and then apply with just that score? I know for many phd programs they do what undergrads do with the sat- take the highest section scores and combine them. So I could take the test 15 times and just get perfect scores on both sections at different times and combine them. That is a norm with gre phd admissions, but certainly not Lsat law school admissions. I wonder how they will deal with this.
Obviously not as restrictive as LSAT guidelines but still, don't count on taking 15 times[/quotMe]
You're right, the 15 times is an exaggeration, but still doesn't address the point about using sections from different tests for a max score. Because if that's allowed, then it would be the total death of the Lsat.
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Why does it matter if schools only consider your highest LSAT when you retake? Isn't it the same thing?ImGonnaTakeGRE wrote:Wait till you hear this - you can choose to send only the GRE scores you want to send. You can't combine scores from different exam dates but still huge benefit of GREgrades?? wrote:There are limits to how many times you can take GRE - up to 5 times in calendar year (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/faq)ImGonnaTakeGRE wrote:grades?? wrote:But the next question is can someone take the gre 15 times until they get a great score and then apply with just that score? I know for many phd programs they do what undergrads do with the sat- take the highest section scores and combine them. So I could take the test 15 times and just get perfect scores on both sections at different times and combine them. That is a norm with gre phd admissions, but certainly not Lsat law school admissions. I wonder how they will deal with this.
Obviously not as restrictive as LSAT guidelines but still, don't count on taking 15 times[/quotMe]
You're right, the 15 times is an exaggeration, but still doesn't address the point about using sections from different tests for a max score. Because if that's allowed, then it would be the total death of the Lsat.
Don't some schools average your scores? I'm not as familiar with the law school process as I used to be because I pivoted towards MBA route. Also I suspect that law schools definitely look at ALL of your scores, even if their official statement might be that it doesn't matterNpret wrote:Why does it matter if schools only consider your highest LSAT when you retake? Isn't it the same thing?ImGonnaTakeGRE wrote:Wait till you hear this - you can choose to send only the GRE scores you want to send. You can't combine scores from different exam dates but still huge benefit of GREgrades?? wrote:There are limits to how many times you can take GRE - up to 5 times in calendar year (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/faq)ImGonnaTakeGRE wrote:grades?? wrote:But the next question is can someone take the gre 15 times until they get a great score and then apply with just that score? I know for many phd programs they do what undergrads do with the sat- take the highest section scores and combine them. So I could take the test 15 times and just get perfect scores on both sections at different times and combine them. That is a norm with gre phd admissions, but certainly not Lsat law school admissions. I wonder how they will deal with this.
Obviously not as restrictive as LSAT guidelines but still, don't count on taking 15 times[/quotMe]
You're right, the 15 times is an exaggeration, but still doesn't address the point about using sections from different tests for a max score. Because if that's allowed, then it would be the total death of the Lsat.
There is only 1 LSAT score though. Imagine if people who retake the LSAT could get their score by using their best LG section, best LR sections, and best RC section even if they all happened on different tries.Npret wrote:Why does it matter if schools only consider your highest LSAT when you retake? Isn't it the same thing?ImGonnaTakeGRE wrote:Wait till you hear this - you can choose to send only the GRE scores you want to send. You can't combine scores from different exam dates but still huge benefit of GREgrades?? wrote:There are limits to how many times you can take GRE - up to 5 times in calendar year (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/faq)ImGonnaTakeGRE wrote:grades?? wrote:But the next question is can someone take the gre 15 times until they get a great score and then apply with just that score? I know for many phd programs they do what undergrads do with the sat- take the highest section scores and combine them. So I could take the test 15 times and just get perfect scores on both sections at different times and combine them. That is a norm with gre phd admissions, but certainly not Lsat law school admissions. I wonder how they will deal with this.
Obviously not as restrictive as LSAT guidelines but still, don't count on taking 15 times[/quotMe]
You're right, the 15 times is an exaggeration, but still doesn't address the point about using sections from different tests for a max score. Because if that's allowed, then it would be the total death of the Lsat.
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Exactly the point. This is batshit insanity.jingosaur wrote:There is only 1 LSAT score though. Imagine if people who retake the LSAT could get their score by using their best LG section, best LR sections, and best RC section even if they all happened on different tries.Npret wrote:Why does it matter if schools only consider your highest LSAT when you retake? Isn't it the same thing?ImGonnaTakeGRE wrote:Wait till you hear this - you can choose to send only the GRE scores you want to send. You can't combine scores from different exam dates but still huge benefit of GREgrades?? wrote:There are limits to how many times you can take GRE - up to 5 times in calendar year (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/faq)ImGonnaTakeGRE wrote:grades?? wrote:But the next question is can someone take the gre 15 times until they get a great score and then apply with just that score? I know for many phd programs they do what undergrads do with the sat- take the highest section scores and combine them. So I could take the test 15 times and just get perfect scores on both sections at different times and combine them. That is a norm with gre phd admissions, but certainly not Lsat law school admissions. I wonder how they will deal with this.
Obviously not as restrictive as LSAT guidelines but still, don't count on taking 15 times[/quotMe]
You're right, the 15 times is an exaggeration, but still doesn't address the point about using sections from different tests for a max score. Because if that's allowed, then it would be the total death of the Lsat.
Actually it's the opposite, they say it matters and it doesn't. They only have to report your highest score. That doesn't mean they don't glance at the numbers but people can write addendums for some previous truly abysmal performance. Only Yale seems to actually care.ImGonnaTakeGRE wrote:Don't some schools average your scores? I'm not as familiar with the law school process as I used to be because I pivoted towards MBA route. Also I suspect that law schools definitely look at ALL of your scores, even if their official statement might be that it doesn't matterNpret wrote:Why does it matter if schools only consider your highest LSAT when you retake? Isn't it the same thing?ImGonnaTakeGRE wrote:Wait till you hear this - you can choose to send only the GRE scores you want to send. You can't combine scores from different exam dates but still huge benefit of GREgrades?? wrote:There are limits to how many times you can take GRE - up to 5 times in calendar year (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/faq)ImGonnaTakeGRE wrote:grades?? wrote:But the next question is can someone take the gre 15 times until they get a great score and then apply with just that score? I know for many phd programs they do what undergrads do with the sat- take the highest section scores and combine them. So I could take the test 15 times and just get perfect scores on both sections at different times and combine them. That is a norm with gre phd admissions, but certainly not Lsat law school admissions. I wonder how they will deal with this.
Obviously not as restrictive as LSAT guidelines but still, don't count on taking 15 times[/quotMe]
You're right, the 15 times is an exaggeration, but still doesn't address the point about using sections from different tests for a max score. Because if that's allowed, then it would be the total death of the Lsat.
Edit: Just checked Columbia's official stance and they state that they look at all of your scores (http://www.law.columbia.edu/admissions/ ... le%20LSATS)
Apologies - I don't think I'm being clear. So the scenario described CAN'T happen with GRE as ScoreSelect (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general ... oreselect/) means you can pick among the 3 options:grades?? wrote:Exactly the point. This is batshit insanity.jingosaur wrote:There is only 1 LSAT score though. Imagine if people who retake the LSAT could get their score by using their best LG section, best LR sections, and best RC section even if they all happened on different tries.Npret wrote:Why does it matter if schools only consider your highest LSAT when you retake? Isn't it the same thing?ImGonnaTakeGRE wrote:Wait till you hear this - you can choose to send only the GRE scores you want to send. You can't combine scores from different exam dates but still huge benefit of GREgrades?? wrote:There are limits to how many times you can take GRE - up to 5 times in calendar year (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/faq)ImGonnaTakeGRE wrote:grades?? wrote:But the next question is can someone take the gre 15 times until they get a great score and then apply with just that score? I know for many phd programs they do what undergrads do with the sat- take the highest section scores and combine them. So I could take the test 15 times and just get perfect scores on both sections at different times and combine them. That is a norm with gre phd admissions, but certainly not Lsat law school admissions. I wonder how they will deal with this.
Obviously not as restrictive as LSAT guidelines but still, don't count on taking 15 times[/quotMe]
You're right, the 15 times is an exaggeration, but still doesn't address the point about using sections from different tests for a max score. Because if that's allowed, then it would be the total death of the Lsat.
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Win win win... Except for the splitters.gargleblaster wrote:Why does everyone think that Harvard will give AF about what GRE score people get? If they don't have an LSAT, Harvard can accept people that impact their GPA median without affecting their LSAT median. This allows several possibilities that I can see on who then can now admit more of:
1) rich/famous ppl that have connections to the school (so they know not to take the LSAT)
2) all other people with high GPA's that may not get good LSAT's (see all ivy grads due to grade inflation)
All other people that get poor LSAT's
3) URM's
If they do this, they can bump both their LSAT and GPA medians, and accept more of the people that they want without having to suffer the hits to their medians - looks like a win/win/win for them.
Whether or not the GRE is "easier" is irrelevant, since they won't care what score you get.
Apologies - I don't think I'm being clear. So the scenario described CAN'T happen with GRE as ScoreSelect (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general ... oreselect/) means you can pick among the 3 options:ImGonnaTakeGRE wrote:Exactly the point. This is batshit insanity.grades?? wrote:There is only 1 LSAT score though. Imagine if people who retake the LSAT could get their score by using their best LG section, best LR sections, and best RC section even if they all happened on different tries.jingosaur wrote:Why does it matter if schools only consider your highest LSAT when you retake? Isn't it the same thing?Npret wrote:Wait till you hear this - you can choose to send only the GRE scores you want to send. You can't combine scores from different exam dates but still huge benefit of GREImGonnaTakeGRE wrote:There are limits to how many times you can take GRE - up to 5 times in calendar year (https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/faq)ImGonnaTakeGRE wrote:grades?? wrote:But the next question is can someone take the gre 15 times until they get a great score and then apply with just that score? I know for many phd programs they do what undergrads do with the sat- take the highest section scores and combine them. So I could take the test 15 times and just get perfect scores on both sections at different times and combine them. That is a norm with gre phd admissions, but certainly not Lsat law school admissions. I wonder how they will deal with this.
You're right, the 15 times is an exaggeration, but still doesn't address the point about using sections from different tests for a max score. Because if that's allowed, then it would be the total death of the Lsat.
Do schools even know what option you pick or do they just get what you send them? i.e. if you pick only your most recent score, would Harvard have any way of knowing that? (I'm totally oblivious about the GRE)Monday wrote:Why would you assume HLS will do the same?grades?? wrote:You are right you can't pick them yourself. But in PHD admissions, at least in 2 fields, you submit those 2 test scores and the PHD admissions programs take the highest scores from the different tests. You yourself aren't doing it, but its a norm in certain PHD admissions. So, Harvard could do the same (if GRE stats are then required for ranking down the line) by just giving the total top score from the various sections in different tests.
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