Stop Telling People to Retake Forum
- A. Nony Mouse
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
Yeah, to be clear, I'm not saying LSAT is a perfect measure of anything; nor is GPA; they're both limited. I'm more saying, get over the fact that law school admissions are structured in a way that disadvantages you, and deal with it. Railing against the system is pointless.
- mjb447
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
Absolutely, and at least you can theoretically always improve your LSAT on a future retake if you're willing to delay longer. I'd honestly better understand railing against GPA or some other totally immutable factor.A. Nony Mouse wrote:Yeah, to be clear, I'm not saying LSAT is a perfect measure of anything; nor is GPA; they're both limited. I'm more saying, get over the fact that law school admissions are structured in a way that disadvantages you, and deal with it. Railing against the system is pointless.
- cavalier1138
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
In other words... here are schools that admitted me, and here are schools that didn't. The schools that didn't are all meanie-heads, and I'm going to rail against the injustice of the world that someone as robustly qualified as I should have to put a modicum of effort into getting what I want.chicagoburger wrote:A. Nony Mouse wrote:People should read the actual words, not the tone.
And schools should read beyond numbers as they claim to.
After talking to people at the ASD/Tours and judging from my cycle, the following schools def went beyond numbers:
Iowa, OSU, Indiana, Washington & Lee
However, the following schools worship LSAT and care nothing else:
UIUC, WUSTL, Loyola Chicago, Hastings
Sound about right?
- Ferrisjso
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
I actually do have to agree here, that did come off a bit personal Chicago, I don't like the LSAT but at the end of the day schools are always going to try to get a class with the best GPA's and LSAT's(even the worst standardized test is better than GPA if everyone takes it and could be compared with it, even if the comparison doesn't mean **** and the LSAT while bad has some things in it that might correlate with law success) I mean what did you expect? On my own "choosing a law school thread" Rigo brought up a good point, the schools that are more understanding of you beyond your initial two numbers are schools that need to fill a larger class, if a school's only got so many seats, not many people are slipping in under that 25th percentile. Railing against the injustices of the world is fine as a matter of fact I encourage it(nothing irritates me then people willing to tolerate an unjust reality, because "that's just the way it is") but you've got to be somewhat realistic, of course law schools will care about the de facto entry exam the most. This is also on a case by case basis and is super subjective, I had the numbers to get into W+L on the margins and I didn't, does that mean that "W+L worships LSAT and doesn't care about nothing else"? While I'm upset, that would sound ridiculous, there's people at the schools you got into you could say the same thing likewise there's people at the schools who "worship LSAT and are nothing else" who were reverse splitters and would disagree. They had to (have to) fill a class and are looking for certain things.cavalier1138 wrote:In other words... here are schools that admitted me, and here are schools that didn't. The schools that didn't are all meanie-heads, and I'm going to rail against the injustice of the world that someone as robustly qualified as I should have to put a modicum of effort into getting what I want.chicagoburger wrote:A. Nony Mouse wrote:People should read the actual words, not the tone.
And schools should read beyond numbers as they claim to.
After talking to people at the ASD/Tours and judging from my cycle, the following schools def went beyond numbers:
Iowa, OSU, Indiana, Washington & Lee
However, the following schools worship LSAT and care nothing else:
UIUC, WUSTL, Loyola Chicago, Hastings
Sound about right?
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
A poster once PMed me to thank me. He said he was set to go to his local state school, posted a choosing thread on TLS, and I convinced him to retake even though he didn't want to. He retook, got into and attended Yale, and met his future wife. Not flame.
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- Johann
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
and i didnt retake, went to my TTT and met my future wife there too. not flame.
- anyriotgirl
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
retaking changed my life
but idk if I would have gone to law school at a not-prestigious school, so maybe it ruined my life
WE'LL SEE
but idk if I would have gone to law school at a not-prestigious school, so maybe it ruined my life
WE'LL SEE
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
We should stop givimg JDM a hard time, he is simply a practitioner of existentialism as humanism. He rejects deterministic excuses for his objectively poor choice not to re-take, and surges up, choosing define himself based on how his life turned out.JohannDeMann wrote:and i didnt retake, went to my TTT and met my future wife there too. not flame.
Only the individual can define his or her essence, and Johann has defined his decision not to re-take as fucking awesome. This gives him unlimited leeway to give appalling advice on the subject right here on TLS.
- pancakes3
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
retake, don't retake. doesn't really make a difference to the mob.
what the mob takes issue with is someone irrationally railing against the retake advice and making a "principled stand" against the notion of retake.
what the mob takes issue with is someone irrationally railing against the retake advice and making a "principled stand" against the notion of retake.
- zot1
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
I didn't retake, went to T30 school, was already married.
Not flame.
Not flame.
- Johann
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
I've admitted that I should have retaken and would retake today. Doesn't change the fact that you can meet your wife anywhere and it has nothing to do with the retake decision.Moneytrees wrote:We should stop givimg JDM a hard time, he is simply a practitioner of existentialism as humanism. He rejects deterministic excuses for his objectively poor choice not to re-take, and surges up, choosing define himself based on how his life turned out.JohannDeMann wrote:and i didnt retake, went to my TTT and met my future wife there too. not flame.
Only the individual can define his or her essence, and Johann has defined his decision not to re-take as fucking awesome. This gives him unlimited leeway to give appalling advice on the subject right here on TLS.
My disagreement with TLS comes once someone has used their 3 takes and chooses to go to the best school at that point that maximizes their achieving their goals.
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So you would agree that re-taking is the right choice for the vast majority of people?JohannDeMann wrote:I've admitted that I should have retaken and would retake today. Doesn't change the fact that you can meet your wife anywhere and it has nothing to do with the retake decision.Moneytrees wrote:We should stop givimg JDM a hard time, he is simply a practitioner of existentialism as humanism. He rejects deterministic excuses for his objectively poor choice not to re-take, and surges up, choosing define himself based on how his life turned out.JohannDeMann wrote:and i didnt retake, went to my TTT and met my future wife there too. not flame.
Only the individual can define his or her essence, and Johann has defined his decision not to re-take as fucking awesome. This gives him unlimited leeway to give appalling advice on the subject right here on TLS.
My disagreement with TLS comes once someone has used their 3 takes and chooses to go to the best school at that point that maximizes their achieving their goals.
I don't think TLS should necessarily be telling people not to go to law school. As long as you keep your debt down, even a regional law school can be a fine choice. But to keep your debt down, you probably need a good LSAT score.
- star fox
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
Let's not go around making stuff up. Nobody has to do that due to student debt.uion1715 wrote:Again, I would rather retake the LSAT rather than getting in a $$$ of debt and having to only eat one meal a day and live without heating. But that's just me.
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
Was just poking fun at Ferris for this post: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5#p9788176star fox wrote:Let's not go around making stuff up. Nobody has to do that due to student debt.uion1715 wrote:Again, I would rather retake the LSAT rather than getting in a $$$ of debt and having to only eat one meal a day and live without heating. But that's just me.
I mean no harm.
- star fox
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Ah, gotchauion1715 wrote:Was just poking fun at Ferris for this post: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5#p9788176star fox wrote:Let's not go around making stuff up. Nobody has to do that due to student debt.uion1715 wrote:Again, I would rather retake the LSAT rather than getting in a $$$ of debt and having to only eat one meal a day and live without heating. But that's just me.
I mean no harm.
- Ferrisjso
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
Neither of those things are sacrifices to me really, to each their own!uion1715 wrote:Was just poking fun at Ferris for this post: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5#p9788176star fox wrote:Let's not go around making stuff up. Nobody has to do that due to student debt.uion1715 wrote:Again, I would rather retake the LSAT rather than getting in a $$$ of debt and having to only eat one meal a day and live without heating. But that's just me.
I mean no harm.
- zot1
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
You eat once a day? Let me guess, you also skip leg day.Ferrisjso wrote:Neither of those things are sacrifices to me really, to each their own!uion1715 wrote:Was just poking fun at Ferris for this post: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5#p9788176star fox wrote:Let's not go around making stuff up. Nobody has to do that due to student debt.uion1715 wrote:Again, I would rather retake the LSAT rather than getting in a $$$ of debt and having to only eat one meal a day and live without heating. But that's just me.
I mean no harm.
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- Ferrisjso
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
Leg day?zot1 wrote:You eat once a day? Let me guess, you also skip leg day.Ferrisjso wrote:uion1715 wrote:Was just poking fun at Ferris for this post: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5#p9788176star fox wrote:Let's not go around making stuff up. Nobody has to do that due to student debt.uion1715 wrote:Again, I would rather retake the LSAT rather than getting in a $$$ of debt and having to only eat one meal a day and live without heating. But that's just me.
I mean no harm.
Neither of those things are sacrifices to me really, to each their own!
- zot1
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Unacceptable. Retake.Ferrisjso wrote:Leg day?zot1 wrote:You eat once a day? Let me guess, you also skip leg day.Ferrisjso wrote:uion1715 wrote:Was just poking fun at Ferris for this post: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5#p9788176star fox wrote:Let's not go around making stuff up. Nobody has to do that due to student debt.uion1715 wrote:Again, I would rather retake the LSAT rather than getting in a $$$ of debt and having to only eat one meal a day and live without heating. But that's just me.
I mean no harm.
Neither of those things are sacrifices to me really, to each their own!
- mjb447
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
It's what people in the know call Thanksgiving (because lots of people prefer the dark meat of the turkey legs). If you don't like eating, you probably don't like Thanksgiving.Ferrisjso wrote:Leg day?zot1 wrote:You eat once a day? Let me guess, you also skip leg day.Ferrisjso wrote:uion1715 wrote:Was just poking fun at Ferris for this post: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5#p9788176star fox wrote:Let's not go around making stuff up. Nobody has to do that due to student debt.uion1715 wrote:Again, I would rather retake the LSAT rather than getting in a $$$ of debt and having to only eat one meal a day and live without heating. But that's just me.
I mean no harm.
Neither of those things are sacrifices to me really, to each their own!
- cavalier1138
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
This should result in an instant ban from the forums.Ferrisjso wrote:Leg day?zot1 wrote:You eat once a day? Let me guess, you also skip leg day.Ferrisjso wrote:uion1715 wrote:Was just poking fun at Ferris for this post: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5#p9788176star fox wrote:Let's not go around making stuff up. Nobody has to do that due to student debt.uion1715 wrote:Again, I would rather retake the LSAT rather than getting in a $$$ of debt and having to only eat one meal a day and live without heating. But that's just me.
I mean no harm.
Neither of those things are sacrifices to me really, to each their own!
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- Ferrisjso
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
No i didnt skip thanksgiving.zot1 wrote:Unacceptable. Retake.Ferrisjso wrote:Leg day?zot1 wrote:You eat once a day? Let me guess, you also skip leg day.Ferrisjso wrote:uion1715 wrote:Was just poking fun at Ferris for this post: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5#p9788176star fox wrote:Let's not go around making stuff up. Nobody has to do that due to student debt.uion1715 wrote:Again, I would rather retake the LSAT rather than getting in a $$$ of debt and having to only eat one meal a day and live without heating. But that's just me.
I mean no harm.
Neither of those things are sacrifices to me really, to each their own!
- mjb447
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
Aw dude, I was just funnin' ya. Leg day is the day when people who lift/strength train work on their legs. Skipping leg day is a rookie but grave error.Ferrisjso wrote:No i didnt skip thanksgiving.zot1 wrote:Unacceptable. Retake.Ferrisjso wrote:
Leg day?
- Desert Fox
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I didn't have to retake cause I'm not a water brain. I can't even really read and I got -2 on RC. What kind of mongloid can't get 170 on the first try.
Don't retake, quit.
Don't retake, quit.
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Re: Stop Telling People to Retake
I don't know man. Some people just can't do standardized tests. I'm one of themDesert Fox wrote:I didn't have to retake cause I'm not a water brain. I can't even really read and I got -2 on RC. What kind of mongloid can't get 170 on the first try.
Don't retake, quit.
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