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ATLgroupie wrote:

goldenbear2020 wrote:Georgetown: 3.78 (+0.02) / 167
Source: fee waiver e-mail

Surprised. Looked like they were going for 168 median based on Law School Numbers . . .

The class size will be the real interesting data point.

Rigo wrote:

TXguy2016 wrote:

proteinshake wrote:didn't Cornell have a 168 LSAT median back then? they have a 167 now, so that would explain that - they settled for a slightly lower LSAT to raise their GPA median and be more balanced.

But wouldn't you think with nearly 2,500 fewer applicants in 2015 than 2010 both LSAT and GPA would drop? It's not like we are talking about 300 fewer apps...I would imagine with over a third of the applicant pool decreasing there would be a more substantial hit to the numbers

Maybe they became more generous. Maybe the drop in apps was mainly dumbs. Who knows.

MyLSN suggests they definitely became more generous.

WashU:
160 (-1) / 168 (+1) / 169 (+1)
3.15 (-0.03) / 3.67 / 3.81 (+0.01)
228 (+18)
http://apply.law.wustl.edu/class-profile

Doubling down on their splitter / reverse splitter strategy...

Rigo wrote:

TXguy2016 wrote:

proteinshake wrote:didn't Cornell have a 168 LSAT median back then? they have a 167 now, so that would explain that - they settled for a slightly lower LSAT to raise their GPA median and be more balanced.

But wouldn't you think with nearly 2,500 fewer applicants in 2015 than 2010 both LSAT and GPA would drop? It's not like we are talking about 300 fewer apps...I would imagine with over a third of the applicant pool decreasing there would be a more substantial hit to the numbers

Maybe they became more generous. Maybe the drop in apps was mainly dumbs. Who knows.

It's also possible those reverse splitters have always been there, but Cornell used to reject them and now they don't. Grade inflation is real, but I think TXguy is reading too much into the numbers here.

goldenbear2020 wrote:WashU:
160 (-1) / 168 (+1) / 169 (+1)
3.15 (-0.03) / 3.67 / 3.81 (+0.01)
228 (+18)
http://apply.law.wustl.edu/class-profile

Doubling down on their splitter / reverse splitter strategy...

That's some serious rankings-gaming.

Wasn't WUSTL giving full rides to 166's two years ago? And now a 168 median?

jbagelboy wrote:

goldenbear2020 wrote:WashU:
160 (-1) / 168 (+1) / 169 (+1)
3.15 (-0.03) / 3.67 / 3.81 (+0.01)
228 (+18)
http://apply.law.wustl.edu/class-profile

Doubling down on their splitter / reverse splitter strategy...

That's some serious rankings-gaming.

Wasn't WUSTL giving full rides to 166's two years ago? And now a 168 median?

They gave the full rides to anyone with a 166 and a pulse during your cycle (class of 2016).

Wisconsin:
156(+1)/161/163(+1)
3.30(+.03)/3.58(+.04)/3.72(-.04)
149 enrolled (-37)
https://law.wisc.edu/prospective/stats.html

Mitchell Hamline

145(-3 WM, -4 H)/150(-2 WM, -2 H)/154(-2 WM, -2 H)
2.89(-.03 WM, -.11 H)/3.18(-.07 WM, -.07 H)/3.47(-.06 WM, -.10 H)
338 enrolled (+18 compared to WM, -53 compared to WM and H combined)

source: http://mitchellhamline.edu/admission/student-profile/

Last year there were two schools William Mitchell and Hamline. The stats for this year do not seperate out scores for diffrent programs (full-time, regular part-time, weekend part-time, hybrid part-time), last year the part-time students out numbered full-time students at WM over 2 to 1.

haus wrote:Mitchell Hamline

145(-3 WM, -4 H)/150(-2 WM, -2 H)/154(-2 WM, -2 H)
2.89(-.03 WM, -.11 H)/3.18(-.07 WM, -.07 H)/3.47(-.06 WM, -.10 H)
338 enrolled (+18 compared to WM, -53 compared to WM and H combined)

source: http://mitchellhamline.edu/admission/student-profile/

Last year there were two schools William Mitchell and Hamline. The stats for this year do not seperate out scores for diffrent programs (full-time, regular part-time, weekend part-time, hybrid part-time), last year the part-time students out numbered full-time students at WM over 2 to 1.

What a trainwreck. Shame, too, because the world would be better if a lot more law schools merged, and maybe this will discourage some from doing that.

RareExports wrote: What a trainwreck. Shame, too, because the world would be better if a lot more law schools merged, and maybe this will discourage some from doing that.

I suspect that the merger did not help them in this cycle. With the merger becoming official midway through the school year, I suspect that it may have been off-putting for potential candidates.

Chapman:
152 / 155 (-1) / 157 (-1)
3.03 (-0.05) / 3.24 (-0.09) / 3.48 (+0.01)
190 (+41)

haus wrote:Mitchell Hamline

145(-3 WM, -4 H)/150(-2 WM, -2 H)/154(-2 WM, -2 H)
2.89(-.03 WM, -.11 H)/3.18(-.07 WM, -.07 H)/3.47(-.06 WM, -.10 H)
338 enrolled (+18 compared to WM, -53 compared to WM and H combined)

source: http://mitchellhamline.edu/admission/student-profile/

Last year there were two schools William Mitchell and Hamline. The stats for this year do not seperate out scores for diffrent programs (full-time, regular part-time, weekend part-time, hybrid part-time), last year the part-time students out numbered full-time students at WM over 2 to 1.

Trainwreck indeed. How can you merge, allowing you to be more selective, and yet your LSAT still drops 2 points? Even after this merger, Minnesota has one too many law schools.

The Midwest in general has been savaged in the legal jobs arena, more than the rest of the country.

A lot of the media noise has died down about the law school scam. But things haven't gotten much better for the people I know suffering under crippling debt with no chance of repayment.

spreadsheet updated

Waiting to see what U of Iowa will look like.

jbagelboy wrote:

goldenbear2020 wrote:WashU:
160 (-1) / 168 (+1) / 169 (+1)
3.15 (-0.03) / 3.67 / 3.81 (+0.01)
228 (+18)
http://apply.law.wustl.edu/class-profile

Doubling down on their splitter / reverse splitter strategy...

That's some serious rankings-gaming.

Wasn't WUSTL giving full rides to 166's two years ago? And now a 168 median?

I was admitted to the class of 2018 with a full ride scholarship with a 167/3.57

Penn State

156 (+4) / 158 (0) / 159 (0)
3.15 (0) / 3.47 (-.11) / 3.69 (-.04)
153 (+15)

https://pennstatelaw.psu.edu/admissions ... ss-profile

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So--waiting, in terms of "top" for:

1. Stanford
2. UW
3. Irvine
4. Iowa
5. Ohio State
6. Illinois

Illinois won't update till early December because they have to do an external audit or some BS. If you ask admissions you might get them.

Wake forest
http://admissions.law.wfu.edu/about/fast-facts/
3.39(+.05)/3.59(-.02)/3.70(-.02)
156(-1)/161/162
161 enrolled (+21)

Duquesne

150 (0) / 152 (0) / 155 (0)
3.14 (+.07) / 3.38 (-.07) / 3.64 (0)
99 FT (-8) / 24 PT (+3)
123 Total (-5)

No breakdown of the separate credentials for full-time and part-time. Comparisons from 2015 are based on the combined numbers for both FT and PT.

http://law.duq.edu/admissions/entering-class-profile

Villanova

153 (+1) / 157 (+1) / 159 (+1)
3.24 (-.03) / 3.54 (-.03) / 3.70 (-.04)
222 (+58)

http://www1.villanova.edu/villanova/law ... ofile.html

Huge jump in class size for Villanova.

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Cornell

164 / 167 / 168
3.62 / 3.73 (-0.01) / 3.82

http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/admiss ... ration.cfm