Ann Levine vs Anna Ivey Forum
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Ann Levine vs Anna Ivey
I know almost everyone will say TLS is a better resource than either, but assuming I want to waste $5K does anyone - preferably someone who has actually used an admission consultant - have any feedback on Ann Levine, Anna Ivey or another admissions consultant?
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Does it really cost 5k?
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Spiveys the usual answer around here, most qualified people on staff there from what I can tell
Wouldn't pay 5k for anyone tho
Wouldn't pay 5k for anyone tho
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5k for admissions advice? really?
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I'd pay 5k if I felt assured that person could help me outperform my numbers and/or gain at least 5k more scholarship than I would otherwise.
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Spivey saves your mony. /thread
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That was my thinking. Thanks for the repliesPeanutsNJam wrote:I'd pay 5k if I felt assured that person could help me outperform my numbers and/or gain at least 5k more scholarship than I would otherwise.
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Can't you just buy levines book and use tls for any questions and stuff?
I guess I could see how a consultant might be able to help a non-traditional applicant sharpen their application, but I'm skeptical of how much advantage they would confer a standard cookie-cutter applicant.
I guess I could see how a consultant might be able to help a non-traditional applicant sharpen their application, but I'm skeptical of how much advantage they would confer a standard cookie-cutter applicant.
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using spivey is probably worth the money if you're clueless or don't have a strategy. i didn't use him but had a phone conversation with him and am confident in saying that the money you spend on him will probably nearly always be returned and then some re: scholarships.
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I mean yeah a consultant is most valuable for splitters/reverse splitters because your numbers can't predict too well. If you're below both medians, a consultant can't help you, and if you're above both medians, just don't put together an abysmal app and you should be okay.
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What do you expect a law school admissions consultant to do for you ?
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I worked with Ann this past cycle, and I’m so happy I did. She’s absolutely fantastic. And she helped me to create an application that provided me the perfect outcome.
The decision to hire a consultant, such as Ann, is a very personal one. You must conduct a cost-benefit analysis. Consider the following:
The value of a consultant depends on the type of applicant. The better the numbers, the lesser the value. But I really believe that mostly anyone, regardless of numbers, can gain from hiring a consultant. I say this because, while numbers matter, other factors, do as well, particularly at YS. These other factors are often better determinants of future star power in law or business than numbers alone. And because consultants help you craft those other factors, they may likely, in the end, positively impact your chances of admission.
The TLS obsession with numbers is, in some cases, a dangerous game. If I paid attention to much of the advice here, I wouldn’t have hired Ann and, I can say with much certainty, wouldn’t have gotten into the schools I did. It really, really mattered for me. Ann provided valuable insight into the often opaque admissions process and helped me craft a cohesive and compelling application. She made a real difference.
The admissions process is stressful. The ability to call Ann at any time to discuss any issue not only helped me understand and react to different events, but also really put my mind at ease. That alone perhaps made the decision to hire her worth it.
In the end, each candidate must individually compare the value and cost of hiring a consultant. I’m jazzed I hire Ann. Feel free to PM me for more details.
The decision to hire a consultant, such as Ann, is a very personal one. You must conduct a cost-benefit analysis. Consider the following:
The value of a consultant depends on the type of applicant. The better the numbers, the lesser the value. But I really believe that mostly anyone, regardless of numbers, can gain from hiring a consultant. I say this because, while numbers matter, other factors, do as well, particularly at YS. These other factors are often better determinants of future star power in law or business than numbers alone. And because consultants help you craft those other factors, they may likely, in the end, positively impact your chances of admission.
The TLS obsession with numbers is, in some cases, a dangerous game. If I paid attention to much of the advice here, I wouldn’t have hired Ann and, I can say with much certainty, wouldn’t have gotten into the schools I did. It really, really mattered for me. Ann provided valuable insight into the often opaque admissions process and helped me craft a cohesive and compelling application. She made a real difference.
The admissions process is stressful. The ability to call Ann at any time to discuss any issue not only helped me understand and react to different events, but also really put my mind at ease. That alone perhaps made the decision to hire her worth it.
In the end, each candidate must individually compare the value and cost of hiring a consultant. I’m jazzed I hire Ann. Feel free to PM me for more details.
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+1 I am working with Ann this cycle and have been completely happy with the time and effort she gives me. I am a non-traditional applicant for what its worth, but its been worth my money so far.myspiritanimal wrote:I worked with Ann this past cycle, and I’m so happy I did. She’s absolutely fantastic. And she helped me to create an application that provided me the perfect outcome.
The decision to hire a consultant, such as Ann, is a very personal one. You must conduct a cost-benefit analysis. Consider the following:
The value of a consultant depends on the type of applicant. The better the numbers, the lesser the value. But I really believe that mostly anyone, regardless of numbers, can gain from hiring a consultant. I say this because, while numbers matter, other factors, do as well, particularly at YS. These other factors are often better determinants of future star power in law or business than numbers alone. And because consultants help you craft those other factors, they may likely, in the end, positively impact your chances of admission.
The TLS obsession with numbers is, in some cases, a dangerous game. If I paid attention to much of the advice here, I wouldn’t have hired Ann and, I can say with much certainty, wouldn’t have gotten into the schools I did. It really, really mattered for me. Ann provided valuable insight into the often opaque admissions process and helped me craft a cohesive and compelling application. She made a real difference.
The admissions process is stressful. The ability to call Ann at any time to discuss any issue not only helped me understand and react to different events, but also really put my mind at ease. That alone perhaps made the decision to hire her worth it.
In the end, each candidate must individually compare the value and cost of hiring a consultant. I’m jazzed I hire Ann. Feel free to PM me for more details.
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Educational consultants offer a knowledgeable source with whom to speak during a stressful process. Some view this as a primary benefit, while others just want positive results.
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Nonsense. Assuming you're "real" (low post #s, just like the booster below you), you actually have no basis whatsoever to conclude that she made any difference in your admission to any particular school. The only way I'd believe you is if you could show a consistent pattern of "outperforming your numbers" in admissions to a variety of schools.myspiritanimal wrote:I worked with Ann this past cycle, and I’m so happy I did. She’s absolutely fantastic. And she helped me to create an application that provided me the perfect outcome.
The decision to hire a consultant, such as Ann, is a very personal one. You must conduct a cost-benefit analysis. Consider the following:
The value of a consultant depends on the type of applicant. The better the numbers, the lesser the value. But I really believe that mostly anyone, regardless of numbers, can gain from hiring a consultant. I say this because, while numbers matter, other factors, do as well, particularly at YS. These other factors are often better determinants of future star power in law or business than numbers alone. And because consultants help you craft those other factors, they may likely, in the end, positively impact your chances of admission.
The TLS obsession with numbers is, in some cases, a dangerous game. If I paid attention to much of the advice here, I wouldn’t have hired Ann and, I can say with much certainty, wouldn’t have gotten into the schools I did. It really, really mattered for me. Ann provided valuable insight into the often opaque admissions process and helped me craft a cohesive and compelling application. She made a real difference.
The admissions process is stressful. The ability to call Ann at any time to discuss any issue not only helped me understand and react to different events, but also really put my mind at ease. That alone perhaps made the decision to hire her worth it.
In the end, each candidate must individually compare the value and cost of hiring a consultant. I’m jazzed I hire Ann. Feel free to PM me for more details.
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If you're a fully formed person with a point of view and good judgment, you don't need any of these guys. If not, maybe you should hire them.
I think Spivey is a cool dude. Not sure about the other two. But none of them are worth the money. Frankly, they're just parasites.
I think Spivey is a cool dude. Not sure about the other two. But none of them are worth the money. Frankly, they're just parasites.
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They're "rainmakers" in the Clay Davis senseSkool wrote:If you're a fully formed person with a point of view and good judgment, you don't need any of these guys. If not, maybe you should hire them.
I think Spivey is a cool dude. Not sure about the other two. But none of them are worth the money. Frankly, they're just parasites.
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I spoke to Dean Meeker (also has a thread on here) and bought about 2 hours of advice/guidance from him and found it all extremely helpful. I couldn't afford any of the packages (and didn't really think I needed them), but he was willing to work with me on a budget, bill hourly, was generous with his time, and helped with everything I needed.
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Don't call something nonsense unless you know it to be nonsense. In this case, you don't.blsingindisguise wrote:Nonsense. Assuming you're "real" (low post #s, just like the booster below you), you actually have no basis whatsoever to conclude that she made any difference in your admission to any particular school. The only way I'd believe you is if you could show a consistent pattern of "outperforming your numbers" in admissions to a variety of schools.myspiritanimal wrote:I worked with Ann this past cycle, and I’m so happy I did. She’s absolutely fantastic. And she helped me to create an application that provided me the perfect outcome.
The decision to hire a consultant, such as Ann, is a very personal one. You must conduct a cost-benefit analysis. Consider the following:
The value of a consultant depends on the type of applicant. The better the numbers, the lesser the value. But I really believe that mostly anyone, regardless of numbers, can gain from hiring a consultant. I say this because, while numbers matter, other factors, do as well, particularly at YS. These other factors are often better determinants of future star power in law or business than numbers alone. And because consultants help you craft those other factors, they may likely, in the end, positively impact your chances of admission.
The TLS obsession with numbers is, in some cases, a dangerous game. If I paid attention to much of the advice here, I wouldn’t have hired Ann and, I can say with much certainty, wouldn’t have gotten into the schools I did. It really, really mattered for me. Ann provided valuable insight into the often opaque admissions process and helped me craft a cohesive and compelling application. She made a real difference.
The admissions process is stressful. The ability to call Ann at any time to discuss any issue not only helped me understand and react to different events, but also really put my mind at ease. That alone perhaps made the decision to hire her worth it.
In the end, each candidate must individually compare the value and cost of hiring a consultant. I’m jazzed I hire Ann. Feel free to PM me for more details.
I have low post numbers because I spend my time doing others things and, at times, take a look at this site. I previously applied and did relatively poorly. When I applied with Ann, nothing had changed from the prior year's application, and I did really well, across T6. Still nonsense?
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This is a moronic post. There are many reasons to hire one of them that don't involve a person's lack of point of view or judgment. Another baseless (if you didn't use one, as I assume you didn't, how can you know they wouldn't have helped?) and harmful opinion.Skool wrote:If you're a fully formed person with a point of view and good judgment, you don't need any of these guys. If not, maybe you should hire them.
I think Spivey is a cool dude. Not sure about the other two. But none of them are worth the money. Frankly, they're just parasites.
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I think if you got the $$$ to blow, spending a few thousand to get a better cycle seems logical. A majority of applicants (I assume) don't have such discretionary funds and anyways there is more than enough information on TLS/online in general. I'm kinda skeptical about how helpful these people actually are/what they can do for you
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K. I guess I'm dumb.
Again, if you know who you are, have a point of view, and have good judgment in how you communicate in a professional context, what good reason is there to hire these people? If you're a cohesive and compelling person, why can't you craft a cohesive and compelling application?
So you can pay someone to listen to your stressed out December worry-warting? ("That alone perhaps made the decision to hire her worth it"). Sounds like a bull shit luxury to me.
And admissions is not that fucking "opaque". Those guys are responsive to really clear incentives that have been discussed to death (see Campos, TLS, and the Internet, et al., passim, ad naseum).
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I would say, hiring for negotiation purposes is kind of the only reason to hire these guys. Notice how clammy spivey has been on negotiation strategy lately. He says things like oh, you know, the admissions offices have been adapting to our published advice, so I don't want to show too much of my/my clients' hands publicly. I think that even Spivey must know that the negotiation game is really one of the only ways he's really adding value people can't easily access through other sources. I don't think it's just about keeping tricks up his sleeve for his paying clients; I think there's an element of incentivizing people to pay for his services, which is smart and appropriate on his part. I could be reading this wrong, but I doubt it.
Again, if you know who you are, have a point of view, and have good judgment in how you communicate in a professional context, what good reason is there to hire these people? If you're a cohesive and compelling person, why can't you craft a cohesive and compelling application?
So you can pay someone to listen to your stressed out December worry-warting? ("That alone perhaps made the decision to hire her worth it"). Sounds like a bull shit luxury to me.
And admissions is not that fucking "opaque". Those guys are responsive to really clear incentives that have been discussed to death (see Campos, TLS, and the Internet, et al., passim, ad naseum).
EDIT:
I would say, hiring for negotiation purposes is kind of the only reason to hire these guys. Notice how clammy spivey has been on negotiation strategy lately. He says things like oh, you know, the admissions offices have been adapting to our published advice, so I don't want to show too much of my/my clients' hands publicly. I think that even Spivey must know that the negotiation game is really one of the only ways he's really adding value people can't easily access through other sources. I don't think it's just about keeping tricks up his sleeve for his paying clients; I think there's an element of incentivizing people to pay for his services, which is smart and appropriate on his part. I could be reading this wrong, but I doubt it.
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