C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes Forum

[Yukos]

I found an article from last year saying the GULC class was 600 exactly. That could be totally wrong though, I only spent a couple minutes looking.

[Robespierre]

ABA data says 579, meaning this year's class is pretty much unchanged, but maybe you're right, I dunno.

[Yukos]

ABA data says 579, meaning this year's class is pretty much unchanged, but maybe you're right, I dunno.

https://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/ ... lData.aspx

Is that including PT? If it is, I would trust that over my source.

[jump_man]

Here's some more data for you

Loyola Law School (Los Angeles)
Median LSAT: 161 (+1)
Median GPA: 3.54 (+0.04)
Source (LinkRemoved)

UC Hastings
Median LSAT: 162 (No Change)
Median GPA: 3.59 (-0.01)
Source (LinkRemoved)

Lewis and Clark
Median LSAT: 160 (-1)
Median GPA: 3.47 (-0.02)
Source

Cardozo
Median LSAT: 163 (+1)
Median GPA: 3.55 (-0.05)
Source

[Robespierre]

ABA data says 579, meaning this year's class is pretty much unchanged, but maybe you're right, I dunno.

https://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/ ... lData.aspx

Is that including PT? If it is, I would trust that over my source.

Yah, 510 FT, 69 PT last year.

[tim.janitor]

I think this thread is great. However, I think some of the most interesting data will come from TTT/TTTT schools. I am sure those cash hoarding whores are doing shady things.

They will be the schools that are hit the hardest.

[Yukos]

ABA data says 579, meaning this year's class is pretty much unchanged, but maybe you're right, I dunno.

https://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/ ... lData.aspx

Is that including PT? If it is, I would trust that over my source.

Yah, 510 FT, 69 PT last year.

Looks like they increased FT and decreased PT slightly, probably in an effort to maintain medians.

[TheThriller]

PT stats are no longer included in USNR FT ranking no?

[altoid99]

PT stats are no longer included in USNR FT ranking no?

The rankings incorporate FT and PT #s.

[TheThriller]

PT stats are no longer included in USNR FT ranking no?

The rankings incorporate FT and PT #s.

Then why do they have separate ranking systems?

[KevinP]

Updated original post with more schools. For schools that use have FT and PT programs, I will calculate the total of those two since that is what is used to calculate the rankings. (Will add Denver later).

Then why do they have separate ranking systems?

They used to not take PT into account, but now they do.

PT is a subsection of the rankings, and therefore it can make sense to rank the schools in such a manner because some people are only interested in that subsection.

[TheThriller]

Updated original post with more schools. For schools that use have FT and PT programs, I will calculate the total of those two since that is what is used to calculate the rankings. (Will add Denver later).

Then why do they have separate ranking systems?

They used to not take PT into account, but now they do.

PT is a subsection of the rankings, and therefore it can make sense to rank the schools in such a manner because some people are only interested in that subsection.

Thanks for clearing that up, I was under the impression that they used include them but now they don't, I guess I got that mixed up.

[mattviphky]

I think this thread is great. However, I think some of the most interesting data will come from TTT/TTTT schools. I am sure those cash hoarding whores are doing shady things.

They will be the schools that are hit the hardest.

They never cared before, so I'm thinking they'll probably just accept more and more unqualified people to help keep the paychecks coming.

[thelawyler]

I think this thread is great. However, I think some of the most interesting data will come from TTT/TTTT schools. I am sure those cash hoarding whores are doing shady things.

They will be the schools that are hit the hardest.

They never cared before, so I'm thinking they'll probably just accept more and more unqualified people to help keep the paychecks coming.

Unfortunately, this is exactly what we can probably expect. So sad.

[jump_man]

Does anyone have any info on the Rutgers-Camden situation?

I'd be really curious to see how big their 1L class is this fall and what impact this had on their stats.

[GATA1989]

Spoke with UNC Chapel Hill at a law school fair she said the GPA medians were unchanged but LSAT dropped

GPA:3.33/3.51/3.69 (unchanged)
LSAT:160/162/164 (-1 on each)

[shortporch]

One caveat: the ABA has recently required that the school year start October 5 for purposes of matriculant LSAT/GPA data. That is, in the past, the LSAT/GPA data was usually reported as of the first day of classes (and many schools would "count" the first day of orientation as the first day of classes). But, it was a slightly deceptive stat, as there are often last-minute transfers, drops, etc. in the very first days of the semester; and, some schools would have a single early "day of class" (e.g., an orientation) to "count" that as the "first day" and report the LSAT/GPA data as of that date. (Indeed, some of the data you've logged here indicates that it is "as of the first day of classes" on the school's website.)

The October 5 reporting deadline is an attempt to reflect those last-minute changes for a more holistic picture of the class.

So, if any of your fellow 1L classmates drop, or got in off the waitlist at another school and departed after showing up for the first day of your school's classes, that's going to be reflected in the LSAT/GPA data on October 5, even if it may not be reflected on the first day of orientation.

Now, if it's a drop in the bottom half of the LSAT/GPA numbers, it can help the school; the more likely scenario is a top half LSAT/GPA number who is accepted to another law school off the waitlist and departs for that other law school after showing up to the first school's orientation.

Which is just a long way of saying, this data is probably going to change for at least some schools.

[ScratchableItch]

Yale was just posted:

Class of 2015
170/173/176(-1)
3.84/3.90/3.94

Class size: 203 (-2)

http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/profile.htm

[Yukos]

Yale was just posted:

Class of 2015
170/173/176(-1)
3.84/3.90/3.94

Class size: 203 (-2)

http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/profile.htm

Their GPA 25% went up .01 and their GPA 75th went down .02. But statistically they place the least value on numbers of the whole T-14 so I doubt these marginal changes will help us.

[Yukos]

Harvard has 25th/75ths:

GPA 75th / 25th percentiles: 3.95 (-.02) / 3.77 (-.01)
LSAT 75th / 25th percentiles: 175 (-1) / 170 (-1)

Obviously this doesn't mean the medians fell but it's certainly encouraging. Maybe HYS weren't as immune to falling applications as we thought...

[outlookingin]

Harvard has 25th/75ths:

GPA 75th / 25th percentiles: 3.95 (-.02) / 3.77 (-.01)
LSAT 75th / 25th percentiles: 175 (-1) / 170 (-1)

Obviously this doesn't mean the medians fell but it's certainly encouraging. Maybe HYS weren't as immune to falling applications as we thought...

Sweeeeeeeeet. Did anyone else just get a little tingly?? HLS may well be within reach for those of us on the margin.

[KevinP]

Updated original post with more medians. I've made the T30 school names (that have their entire class profiles up) clickable. That way one is able to get the entire class profile for a specific school by clicking on that school's name.

Sweeeeeeeeet. Did anyone else just get a little tingly?? HLS may well be within reach for those of us on the margin.

Can't say I'm surprised though. Considering the breakdown of LSAT scores (higher end showing more of a decline), the schools that should be most affected are the LSAT-preference ones at the very top with large class sizes, such as Harvard, Columbia, NYU, etc.

[criminaltheory]

Loyola Chicago

158 (-2) 3.35 (-.02) 288 (+5%)

http://www.luc.edu/law/admission/pdfs/fact_sheet.pdf

[shifty_eyed]

Someone posted the new medians for Chicago in the other median thread, but I thought I'd post them here because it looks like the OP updates this more frequently.


LSAT: 171 (25th 167 / 75th 173) - absolutely no change
GPA: 3.90 [+0.03] (25th 3.65 [-0.06] / 75th 3.96 [+0.01])



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[02889]

Someone posted the new medians for Chicago in the other median thread, but I thought I'd post them here because it looks like the OP updates this more frequently.


LSAT: 171 (25th 167 / 75th 173) - absolutely no change
GPA: 3.90 [+0.03] (25th 3.65 [-0.06] / 75th 3.96 [+0.01])



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Whoa, Chicago needs to calm down with that median GPA. Though I guess it was always a little crazy that Chicago's 25th was equal to NYU's and Columbia's medians.