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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 1:52 am 
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Fletcher Reed wrote:
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I thought you were a student going by the way you defend the school and get angry at those who state facts. Also--it was only several weeks ago that I would have been lucky to even be admitted part-time. It was only my new score that gave me a couple other options. I'm obviously not superior to anyone. Anyway--back to the purpose of the thread:

keg411 believes that the merger is "dead dead dead" and provided a "linky link". The fact is, the Board can not indefinitely squash the merger plans, and it would be ignorant to think otherwise. The fate of the school is still uncertain.
crossarmant provided an excellent post with a great link about how the faculty are leaving, applications are crashing through the floor, and the school was only able to retain 25 new admits this year. There are still people with multiple deposits down who are still trying to decide. When I see a post that states something like "the mergey go bye bye everything okay now yayyy", I find it to be misleading.

Oh haiiii Fletcher. I've missed your tidbits of googlefu wisdom.

Oh wait, someone else beat you to this article. Have you been slacking lately? You had a nice routine of checking for updates on an hour-by-hour basis there for a while. In any event, I'm just thrilled you're back. Just thrilled. We missed you. TLS missed you.

I mean seriously, your commentary is what informs us underlings of the error in our logic.

Without you, we would make horrible, horrible decisions. I'm just thrilled you're back.

Just thrilled.


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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?
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I thought you were a student going by the way you defend the school and get angry at those who state facts. Also--it was only several weeks ago that I would have been lucky to even be admitted part-time. It was only my new score that gave me a couple other options. I'm obviously not superior to anyone. Anyway--back to the purpose of the thread:

Is that what you call them?


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Are you guys serious? Nobody outside of NJ cares about the "Rutgers brand" and everybody in NJ is going to know about this change. It has exactly 0 effect outside of 0Ls moving in from across the country for that "great Rutgers name" on their JD.

Yeah this. I don't think anyone outside the region knows or gives a shit about Rutgers. I can't even begin to keep their 19 different campuses (campii?) straight.

I've randomly known of Rutgers since I was like 14 and I'm from a completely different region. I'm pretty sure it was from watching college sports and asking about them. I think they have a little bit of the "brand" thing going and it's mainly because the undergrad is like 300 years old.


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I thought you were a student going by the way you defend the school and get angry at those who state facts. Also--it was only several weeks ago that I would have been lucky to even be admitted part-time. It was only my new score that gave me a couple other options. I'm obviously not superior to anyone. Anyway--back to the purpose of the thread:

Is that what you call them?

Fletcher is a special individual. He has constructed a reality where he genuinely believes that the words that come out of his mouth are divine; they're facts not opinions. His arrogance is overwhelming. His narcissism is unbearable. In a way, I feel sorry for him. I don't think he'll find satisfaction in anything that has anything to do with other people, including work and relationships.


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Fletcher Reed wrote:
Good point. What do you think will happen if Rutgers becomes Rowan?

Well like someone else said, it would likely be called Rutgers-Rowan. No one in their right mind would buy the name and then not use it to their advantage.


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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?
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Fletcher Reed wrote:
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Fletcher is a special individual. He has constructed a reality where he genuinely believes that the words that come out of his mouth are divine; they're facts not opinions. His arrogance is overwhelming. His narcissism is unbearable. In a way, I feel sorry for him. I don't think he'll find satisfaction in anything that has anything to do with other people, including work and relationships.


Two members of the Rutgers Board of Trustees verbally expressed that the school is "bleeding", "faculty members and students are leaving", "applications are crashing through the floor". Additionally, the Board had documents in front of them that showed the law school was able to persuade only 25 applicants (out of thousands) to attend this Fall. The link is in one of the posts above.

If you were at the meeting, would you have personally attacked the Board members too for speaking the horrific truth?


And yet, the Board STILL voted to reject the merger. Seriously who the fuck are you? Chris Christie's kid?
And yes, NJ actually *does* care. The merger talks are *extremely* unpopular and anyone who actually lives here and who has talked to anyone about it would know.

Also, you didn't rebut what i said at all about the fact that it's all about quid pro quo and croneyism and corruption rather than what is BEST for NJ. Anyone who doesn't think the Rutgers name means something or is important to the school and the students is living under a rock (and not The Rock -- and no I'm not talking about the wrestler :lol:). And this isn't just about the law school, it's about the undergrad too. The Board said "NO". Lautenberg was down there the other day, and he has a shitton of political clout in this state too and is VERY against the merger.

Anyway, I will let Fletcher continue to poke holes in his Rutgers-Camden voodoo dolls and keep praying that somehow someone will overrule the Trustees. But he shouldn't hold his breath.


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Fletcher Reed wrote:
If you were at the meeting, would you have personally attacked the Board members too for speaking the horrific truth?

Fletcher, I'm not 'attacking' you. I'm simply 'explaining' your personality so that others understand you.


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I think the main, and most troubling, part is that regardless of how a merger plays out, the damage has been done to the law school for the next several foreseeable years. I mean, they're trying to fill a 250 person class and yet only 10% of that have even deposited, which they may change their mind before August. The numbers of the class have fallen a long way, students and faculty are fleeing, applications have taken a nose-dive, and employment statistics are getting worse and worse each year. RU-C already fell 15 spots this year even before the merger talk, so next year they are without a doubt going to be balls deep in the TTT range which is going to be very very difficult to claw out of. I just fear that despite all this rampant blind optimism, the worst may still happen regardless of whether it is called Rutgers or Rowan.


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I think the main, and most troubling, part is that regardless of how a merger plays out, the damage has been done to the law school for the next several foreseeable years. I mean, they're trying to fill a 250 person class and yet only 10% of that have even deposited, which they may change their mind before August. The numbers of the class have fallen a long way, students and faculty are fleeing, applications have taken a nose-dive, and employment statistics are getting worse and worse each year. RU-C already fell 15 spots this year even before the merger talk, so next year they are without a doubt going to be balls deep in the TTT range which is going to be very very difficult to claw out of. I just fear that despite all this rampant blind optimism, the worst may still happen regardless of whether it is called Rutgers or Rowan.


So...Fletcher wins?


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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?
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I think that the merger is definitely dead, truly no one likes it and it will not be realized the way Christie envisions. However again there may be a strong collaboration between Rowan and Rutgers, and possibly talks about combining them as "Rutgers South." Rowan's name has been dragged threw the mud in recent months, they have mismanaged there accounts and debt, they have only interim management (no one wants to be the president), they misrepresented SAT scores, they had a "secret operation" to hide facts from the media, they hired an out of state school to do the report (big no no), and are viewed as a hostile force trying to hurt a school that many in NJ have lots of pride in. At this point I do not even think that Rutgers faculty want to even collaborate with Rowan because of the bad blood that has tarnished this relationship, however if they are forced to it may happen as a consortium.

As for Rutgers hurting from this, that is definitely true. The whole system has suffered because people do not think that the school is as rock solid as they previously thought. Folks in Newark are worried that they maybe next. People here do realize that as long as we keep the name the law school can be salvaged and will maintain a similar rank as its sister school in Newark. We need Christie to just come out and finally let everyone know that the school will not lose its connection to Rutgers. This may take time because he needs to find a way to spin it where it does not look like he is contradicting himself.

However with the help of Lautenberg and many many others I do not think anyone has anything to worry about in the long run. The school has plenty of time to salvage its class, and for a fact I know that they are willing to forgo a big class in-order to maintain quality students, even with the big economic loss in tuition. Rutgers NB has indicated to the Camden folks to maintain standards and not to worry to much about the economics, that they would help flip the bill to maintain the reputation of the schools students.


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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?
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There's a reference to the Rut-Ro disaster in in the otherwise funny Seinfeld video featuring Mayor Booker and Christie. At least they realize it's making people angry.

Anyway, the news stories as of late see to be indicating a compromise or a failure of the merger. More or less true?


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Failed mergers are so TTT.


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For those who missed the latest Rutgers-Camden news:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=185214

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... calls.html

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... amden.html


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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?
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http://www.philly.com/philly/education/ ... UMDNJ.html

Merger nixed. More independent Rutgers-Camden with it's own trustees, as well as a shared board with Rowan.


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http://www.philly.com/philly/education/20120604_Bill_introduced_to_reshape_Rutgers__Rowan__UMDNJ.html

Merger nixed. More independent Rutgers-Camden with it's own trustees, as well as a shared board with Rowan.


Sounds about right :). Not shocked Sen. Norcross is involved for a multitude of reasons.


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Any guesses unto what this will do to the rankings next year?
No effect/stop the downward slope/up/down

Unlikely the stop of the merger will do anything for helping the huge slip in the rankings it'll take next year. The c/o 2015 have already deposited and the employment stats even before the merger were on a grossly downward trend. It'll probably be a few more years until it's back up to where it was, if it gets there at all.


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See, this is why Christie's bullying tactics are no good. If he had been more open to compromise originally and not such an asshole and a half about it, they could've worked something out a lot sooner. I'm also not surprised about the small enrollment number. Law school enrollment is down in general and people are definitely scared away by the merger BS.


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So it looks like Rutgers will remain in South Jersey. Rutgers NB will have full academic control and governance over the school. Professors will be tenured and Students will continue to get Rutgers Degree's. Future construction projects especially focusing on health and bio sciences will be done through a joint board. Its looking good for Rutgers Camden, there will be much more development in town, more students, more opportunities for cross decipline degrees, and most of all much more money staying at Rutgers Camden.

It will take time to bounce back from all the damage that this threat of a full on merger would have had, but since that is now behind us, the school needs to continue to focus on bringing top students and must start investing heavily in graduate housing, the library expansion project, and some more top flight faculty.

I think next year our rankings will prob stay similar, maybe a small bounce back, but in two years we will be moving up. Furthermore talks of combining Rutgers Camden and Newark are now on the fast track. These two schools maybe merging sooner then expected, so try to get into Rutgers Camden now while you can, because the schools selectivity will sky rocket once that happens.


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So it looks like Rutgers will remain in South Jersey. Rutgers NB will have full academic control and governance over the school. Professors will be tenured and Students will continue to get Rutgers Degree's. Future construction projects especially focusing on health and bio sciences will be done through a joint board. Its looking good for Rutgers Camden, there will be much more development in town, more students, more opportunities for cross decipline degrees, and most of all much more money staying at Rutgers Camden.

It will take time to bounce back from all the damage that this threat of a full on merger would have had, but since that is now behind us, the school needs to continue to focus on bringing top students and must start investing heavily in graduate housing, the library expansion project, and some more top flight faculty.

I think next year our rankings will prob stay similar, maybe a small bounce back, but in two years we will be moving up. Furthermore talks of combining Rutgers Camden and Newark are now on the fast track. These two schools maybe merging sooner then expected, so try to get into Rutgers Camden now while you can, because the schools selectivity will sky rocket once that happens.


This is new information. Where are you getting this news from? And if they are "combined" where will the actual law school be located? Camden? Newark? New Brunswick? Barnegat lighthouse? (oh God please let the last one happen, I would love to go to school on the beach).


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