GAIAtheCHEERLEADER wrote:Thank you for this wonderful addition to the forum, OP.
Good work <3
Thank you both for your feedback. I'm glad to have been helpful.shoe_gasm wrote:Thanks for this. I really appreciate it
GAIAtheCHEERLEADER wrote:Thank you for this wonderful addition to the forum, OP.
Good work <3
Thank you both for your feedback. I'm glad to have been helpful.shoe_gasm wrote:Thanks for this. I really appreciate it
Would it be possible to discuss GPA a bit more? Is there much difference between a 3.0-3.5-3.6 etc for an AA male provided that they have a 168+? Whereas non-URM candidates would be shut out of certain schools with certain GPAs, I do not know if this is the case with AA applicants. Is 3.5 definitely safe for H (probably not Y, S I guess) and CCN on down provided that one has the requisite test score or is it something that is unpredictable?Athlone McGinnis wrote:Your GPA could be a 3.5 and you'd probably still be in contention with that 165. With a 3.91, I'd say at least one of those three ought to happen.Wormfather wrote:So in other words if I earned a 165 last Saturday to go with my 3.91, HYS should almost definitely be in play?BlaqBella wrote:Oh wow. Even more reason for me to study my butt off for the LSATs.nick1 wrote:http://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/ ... eckdam.pdf
If you check out the amicus brief that LSAC filed with the Supreme Court for the Fisher case, from the 09-10 cycle, only 63 blacks had a 3.5 and 165 or better. Pretty interesting.
I don't have as much hard data on GPAs as I do LSAT scores, so my answer here won't be as precise as some of the others given earlier.howlery wrote:
Would it be possible to discuss GPA a bit more? Is there much difference between a 3.0-3.5-3.6 etc for an AA male provided that they have a 168+? Whereas non-URM candidates would be shut out of certain schools with certain GPAs, I do not know if this is the case with AA applicants. Is 3.5 definitely safe for H (probably not Y, S I guess) and CCN on down provided that one has the requisite test score or is it something that is unpredictable?
Thank you very, very much for this thread.
It's been my observation that generally speaking, AA applicants with 3.0-3.5 GPAs that have been admitted to HYS come from an Ivy (HYPS, Dartmouth, Cornell, Penn, Brown, etc.) top public/private university, top liberal arts (Williams, Colby, Middlebury, etc.) or top HBCU (Spelman, Morehouse, Florida A&M, Hampton, Howard, etc.). I have seen very few exceptions to this and am basing my observation on LSN and this forum.Athlone McGinnis wrote:At that level, you've got maybe just over a dozen equals in the country (HYS take around 80 AA's a year between them) and, again, many of them don't have a 3.5.
Thanks for the insight, Wormfather! I've never looked at it that way. Your response actually sounds like a correct answer to a weaken question on the LSAT, .Wormfather wrote:LSN has such a small sample size that by virtue of you casting such a wide net (the number of schools) you're bound to end up with unrepresentative samples. I mean, LSN is already a crap predictor for URMs and now you're drilling down to a subset of a subset (HYS URMs).BlaqBella wrote:It's been my observation that generally speaking, AA applicants with 3.0-3.5 GPAs that have been admitted to HYS come from an Ivy (HYPS, Dartmouth, Cornell, Penn, Brown, etc.) top public/private university, top liberal arts (Williams, Colby, Middlebury, etc.) or top HBCU (Spelman, Morehouse, Florida A&M, Hampton, Howard, etc.). I have seen very few exceptions to this and am basing my observation on LSN and this forum.Athlone McGinnis wrote:At that level, you've got maybe just over a dozen equals in the country (HYS take around 80 AA's a year between them) and, again, many of them don't have a 3.5.
Can it safely be concluded that HYS seldom make exceptions for AA applicants with sub-3.5 GPAs from an undergrad that's none of the above?
I could see an argument that maybe AAs from those specific schools are more likely to use LSN, apply to HYS, or even to avail themselves of the resource you're using right now.
MP: Dont look to deeply into those "exceptions".
I definitely applied to some higher ranking schools (Harvard, Columbia, Duke, Georgetown, GW, and the UC Schools), I just don't want to be overly optimistic about getting a AA bump. Info on TLS has made me less nervous though!Wormfather wrote:Um, aim higher...wbrother wrote:164 LSAT and a 3.21 GPA with strong softs. I'm honestly just hoping to get into UC Hastings, but I applied to some reach schools as well.
http://search.lawschoolnumbers.com/user ... Cycle=1112
Softs...what are the type of softs that matter??astrodoggy wrote:Thanks everyone for all your insights. I could not agree more about LSN and its small sample size. When you look on there and see maybe twenty applicants to Harvard who were accepted with numbers below the 25th percentiles, when in reality that number is well over 100, you know that it isn't a particularly accurate picture of the pool.
That's why I am applying even though I don't have auto-admit numbers, like many have said before, I think soft factors tend to matter much more for AA applicants whose numbers are relatively above average.
Certainly those. Using anecdotal evidence, I know three AA females who graduated from H and Y recently. In undergrad, all three had been leaders of campus organizations, done interesting internships, tons of community service, and came from top HBCUS - think Howard, Hampton, Spelman types. What might be "mundane" for a non-URM, e.g. study abroad, research, president of a organization, can be seen as more meaningful for an AA.BlaqBella wrote:Softs...what are the type of softs that matter??astrodoggy wrote:Thanks everyone for all your insights. I could not agree more about LSN and its small sample size. When you look on there and see maybe twenty applicants to Harvard who were accepted with numbers below the 25th percentiles, when in reality that number is well over 100, you know that it isn't a particularly accurate picture of the pool.
That's why I am applying even though I don't have auto-admit numbers, like many have said before, I think soft factors tend to matter much more for AA applicants whose numbers are relatively above average.
I hear TFA, Peace Corps...what else, you think?
Makes sense. Didnt know how close we were to getting sabermetric level measures of data re: ls admissions - ie various sub-sub-groups. Figured I'd ask lolWormfather wrote:Even if there is any info on this, we're once again in subgroup of a subgroup type data. In other words it would be completely unreliable.John_rizzy_rawls wrote:And a follow up question for OP: is there a bump distinction between half AA and full? I was raised by my single AA mom, grew up in the communities of my AA side, started and run a job training nonprofit for inner city at-risk and homeless youth (mostly, sadly, minorities) and my DS would have been all about this, regardless of a URM bump, barely know my dad, etc.
Nova graciously answered this already based on her experience, but I was wondering if you have any data or further analysis on it.
You remember that "one drop rule" that was used to segregate and disfranchise AA ?John_rizzy_rawls wrote:And a follow up question for OP: is there a bump distinction between half AA and full?
This.BlaqBella wrote:You remember that "one drop rule" that was used to segregate and disfranchise AA ?John_rizzy_rawls wrote:And a follow up question for OP: is there a bump distinction between half AA and full?
Uhm yeah..it applies in this instance. No distinction whatsoever between half and full, assuming, of course, you identify with your African heritage. I've rubbed shoulders with quite a few half AA who swear off their black heritage altogether.
Cool beans. Thanks!astrodoggy wrote:Certainly those. Using anecdotal evidence, I know three AA females who graduated from H and Y recently. In undergrad, all three had been leaders of campus organizations, done interesting internships, tons of community service, and came from top HBCUS - think Howard, Hampton, Spelman types. What might be "mundane" for a non-URM, e.g. study abroad, research, president of a organization, can be seen as more meaningful for an AA.BlaqBella wrote:Softs...what are the type of softs that matter??astrodoggy wrote:Thanks everyone for all your insights. I could not agree more about LSN and its small sample size. When you look on there and see maybe twenty applicants to Harvard who were accepted with numbers below the 25th percentiles, when in reality that number is well over 100, you know that it isn't a particularly accurate picture of the pool.
That's why I am applying even though I don't have auto-admit numbers, like many have said before, I think soft factors tend to matter much more for AA applicants whose numbers are relatively above average.
I hear TFA, Peace Corps...what else, you think?
Two things:BlaqBella wrote:You remember that "one drop rule" that was used to segregate and disfranchise AA ?John_rizzy_rawls wrote:And a follow up question for OP: is there a bump distinction between half AA and full?
Uhm yeah..it applies in this instance. No distinction whatsoever between half and full, assuming, of course, you identify with your African heritage. I've rubbed shoulders with quite a few half AA who swear off their black heritage altogether.
Not to derail the thread, but I just read this:Ken wrote:Great post by the OP! I love threads like this where a poster really shares their insight with the TLS community. Thanks! Cheers, Ken
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You see, it's true: You can do anything with a law degree (assuming it is from the T-14).TrialLawyer16 wrote:Not to derail the thread, but I just read this:Ken wrote:Great post by the OP! I love threads like this where a poster really shares their insight with the TLS community. Thanks! Cheers, Ken
Source: http://www.bizjournals.com/prnewswire/p ... 22/SF29023PALO ALTO, Calif., June 22, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- The Wall Street Journal and REAL Trends, Inc. today announced that Ken DeLeon of DeLeon Realty is the nation's #1 real estate agent out of over a million agents with approximately $275 million in sales volume in 2011.
Congrats, man. That is absolutely ridiculous.
Actually, you can become a real estate broker just by being a barred attorney. I know for New York a licensed attorney can be a real estate broker without having to take a broker's exam. Quite a few attorneys took this route after layoffs in BIGLAW following the 2008/2009 stock market crash. Oh, and no T-14 required. Just NY bar passage.bizzybone1313 wrote:You see, it's true: You can do anything with a law degree (assuming it is from the T-14).TrialLawyer16 wrote:Not to derail the thread, but I just read this:Ken wrote:Great post by the OP! I love threads like this where a poster really shares their insight with the TLS community. Thanks! Cheers, Ken
Source: http://www.bizjournals.com/prnewswire/p ... 22/SF29023PALO ALTO, Calif., June 22, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- The Wall Street Journal and REAL Trends, Inc. today announced that Ken DeLeon of DeLeon Realty is the nation's #1 real estate agent out of over a million agents with approximately $275 million in sales volume in 2011.
Congrats, man. That is absolutely ridiculous.