UCLA or UC Davis?

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UCLA or UC Davis

UCLA 21K Award
11
100%
UC Davis 38K Award
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 11

JamezPhoenix

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UCLA or UC Davis?

Postby JamezPhoenix » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:54 pm

So I was accepted at UC Davis and UCLA, waitlisted at USC and I havent heard back from UVA yet.
A little background. I went to UCLA in 2013-14 as an undergrad and was expelled.
I went to UC Davis and graduated in 2017-18.
I want to eventually go into politics but immediately after graduation I want to either clerk or work in one of those fancy big law jobs everyone keeps talking about. I love Los Angeles but I have been on my own without family or friends since I was 16 so It's just me and my massive student debt. I'm totally cool with betting on myself, I just want to know what you guys think?
UCLA COA/yr = 77,730
Grant = 21,000/ yr
Loans= 56,730/ yr
UC Davis COA/yr 71,425
Grant = 37,500/ yr
Loans= 33,925/ yr

beinghuman

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Re: UCLA or UC Davis?

Postby beinghuman » Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:41 am

What are your goals? And stats?

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Re: UCLA or UC Davis?

Postby cavalier1138 » Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:45 am

I agree that I'd like to know your stats, but your first post is just a litany of red flags. So to address those...

JamezPhoenix wrote:I went to UCLA in 2013-14 as an undergrad and was expelled.


...go on...

JamezPhoenix wrote:I want to eventually go into politics


Then don't go to law school.

JamezPhoenix wrote:but immediately after graduation I want to either clerk or work in one of those fancy big law jobs everyone keeps talking about.


Sounds like you have literally no idea what either of those jobs actually entails except big bucks and bragging rights. Don't go to law school.

JamezPhoenix wrote:It's just me and my massive student debt.


How much debt do you already have? And how do you plan on paying it back if you don't get one of those fancy biglaw jobs everyone keeps talking about?

JamezPhoenix wrote:I'm totally cool with betting on myself


I've heard this refrain a lot from people who insist that they're going to be at the top of their class in law school, and I still don't get it. What are you betting on yourself to do? Why can't you bet on yourself to get a higher LSAT? Or bet on yourself to succeed in a career field that you have actually researched and want to work in?

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Re: UCLA or UC Davis?

Postby JamezPhoenix » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:21 pm

Thanks for the votes and stuff.
No one needs to know why i was expelled, only that I was innocent and proved my case in a court of Law.
My stats are not very neccessary either, I got a 3.1 GPA.
If you look at almost every major politician in both national and state politics they went to law school. I believe in the value of an education, on what you can learn from it, the way it trains you to think and of course the people you are exposed to along the way. I have spent a lot of time researching my path, myself and my goals and decided this is what I want to do.
I currently have 15K in debt. Ive lived off of about 6K my entire life however, so I dont think I'll have much problem paying off my debt. When you have suffered and struggled as much as I have it either breaks you or teaches you.
I could probably do anything within reason that I wished to do, this is what I wished to do. The point of it was not to hand over control of my entire past history of life choices or have you critique them. It was simply to ask, which market is of better value for the price. Unfortunately all of the commentary was useless, but I'm glad i posted this poll none-the-less. Seeing unanimous support for UCLA made it clear to me that doing so would be the right choice, irregardless of how enticing the financial stability that UC Davis offered was.

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Re: UCLA or UC Davis?

Postby cavalier1138 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:00 am

Follow your dreams!

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Re: UCLA or UC Davis?

Postby objctnyrhnr » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:09 am

This is pretty a textbook set of red flags

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Re: UCLA or UC Davis?

Postby QContinuum » Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:16 am

OP's clearly made up his mind, but for the benefit of other 0Ls who may stumble across this thread, a few comments:
JamezPhoenix wrote:No one needs to know why i was expelled, only that I was innocent and proved my case in a court of Law.

TLS doesn't need to know, but the schools you apply to will need to know, and states will need to know for C&F purposes when you apply for admission to the bar.

A "not guilty" verdict in a criminal trial is not remotely the same as a finding of innocence - it merely means a jury didn't find you guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. You did not "prove" your innocence unless you happen to be in California and filed a successful petition for factual innocence.

JamezPhoenix wrote:If you look at almost every major politician in both national and state politics they went to law school.

Correlation is not causation. There is no requirement for a J.D. to enter or succeed in politics. Neither Speaker Pelosi nor House Minority Leader McCarthy have J.D.s. Speaker Pelosi's predecessor, Paul Ryan, didn't have a J.D. either. Nor does President Trump.

JamezPhoenix wrote:Ive lived off of about 6K my entire life however, so I dont think I'll have much problem paying off my debt.[/quote
You're forgetting to account for the tens of thousands of dollars your parents no doubt spent feeding, clothing, and housing you between the ages of 0 and 18. You're also forgetting to account for your current debt load.

JamezPhoenix wrote:I could probably do anything within reason that I wished to do, this is what I wished to do.

No one is saying you are incapable of earning a J.D. or incapable of being a lawyer. We are simply saying that the path you have chosen to take is an objectively foolish one in view of your goals and motivations. There are better paths available to you (and to other 0Ls in your position).

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Re: UCLA or UC Davis?

Postby Igloo2022 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:01 pm

Wouldn't the fact that UCLA Law admitted him despite the college having expelled him previously indicate that the C&F issue has been resolved and won't pose a problem with the bar?

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Re: UCLA or UC Davis?

Postby QContinuum » Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:19 pm

Igloo2022 wrote:Wouldn't the fact that UCLA Law admitted him despite the college having expelled him previously indicate that the C&F issue has been resolved and won't pose a problem with the bar?

We don't know whether OP disclosed to UCLA Law, and we don't know whether UCLA Law has a general practice of pulling UCLA undergrads' disciplinary records. (They probably don't have such a process - why would they do more diligence on UCLA alum applicants than non-UCLA alums?) It's conceivable OP didn't disclose and UCLA Law simply assumed he dropped out after briefly attending UCLA for college.

Further, of course, being accepted to law school doesn't guarantee that one will pass bar C&F. While rare, there have been occasional cases of T13/T20 law school grads who've struggled to get licensed. I think there was even a somewhat recent case involving a Yale Law graduate who eventually - after years of struggle - managed to get licensed in Connecticut.



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