they said there's a child with childcare-related things all situated in NYC and an SO with a job, not simply an NYC preference.shadowfax wrote:I'm just not sure where you prefer living NYC or Boston while going to law school should be the deciding factor.
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Agreed with the bolded, but there's a lot more going on for the OP here that just geographic whims. OP has a SO with a job in NYC and child care issues.shadowfax wrote:I'm just not sure where you prefer living NYC or Boston while going to law school should be the deciding factor. If it was Ann Arbor or Palo Alto maybe. For the same money you go to Harvard every time.
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My fault. I read the op comments of kindalike that and sorta similar to that and keep my life style and inconvenient as less than concrete. Sorry.
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Are you drunk posting?Npret wrote:Why do you think you won't get a clerkship from Columbia but you will from Harvard? What clerkship do you want?
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lawlorbust wrote:Are you drunk posting?Npret wrote:Why do you think you won't get a clerkship from Columbia but you will from Harvard? What clerkship do you want?
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I think that totally justifies going to CLS.Studybuddy17 wrote:They are along the lines of SO leaving current employment, and childcare related inconveniencesguybourdin wrote:but what are they? Like, if you have a 4 year old and have already gotten them into the kindergarten of your dreams, then giving up that spot and moving to Boston would seem like a huge inconvenience. If you just know all your favorite spots in nyc, that's not "quite large" at all.Studybuddy17 wrote: The inconveniences are quite large but are not financial, merely lifestyle.
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Given your goals and large want to remain in NYC, just take Columbia. It's a great school and you got money. Congrats!
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Sorry what I meant to say was that if OP were picking law schools based solely on AIII outcomes alone, the numbers do show that he'd be better off at ND, W&L, UNC-Chapel Hill, Georgia, Minnesota, UC-Davis, Richmond, Utah or Arkansas. That said, since he's trying to stay in the NYC area, I suppose that Columbia does marginally better than BLS, Cardozo, Fordham and NYLS.A. Nony Mouse wrote:lawlorbust wrote:Are you drunk posting?Npret wrote:Why do you think you won't get a clerkship from Columbia but you will from Harvard? What clerkship do you want?
So my outburst was probably uncalled for.
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Thank you so much!Mikey wrote:Given your goals and large want to remain in NYC, just take Columbia. It's a great school and you got money. Congrats!
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Ok then. You may have your cake and eat it too.
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Yea, I think the differences between the two schools should not be exaggerated. You'll be fine at Columbia for anything you'd want to do from HLS in New york. PM if you want to discuss clerkships & litigation in New York.Studybuddy17 wrote:Thank you so much!Mikey wrote:Given your goals and large want to remain in NYC, just take Columbia. It's a great school and you got money. Congrats!
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No. I'm trying to clarify OPs actual goals because OP is vague as hell.lawlorbust wrote:Are you drunk posting?Npret wrote:Why do you think you won't get a clerkship from Columbia but you will from Harvard? What clerkship do you want?
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Don't move to Cambridge if doing so would make you really unhappy. The outcomes are pretty similar, and if you really want to be in New York, then fuck it. Do that.
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Not being vague purposefully, don't have full clarity at the moment and just trying to keep future doors openNpret wrote:No. I'm trying to clarify OPs actual goals because OP is vague as hell.lawlorbust wrote:Are you drunk posting?Npret wrote:Why do you think you won't get a clerkship from Columbia but you will from Harvard? What clerkship do you want?
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so, the "doors" metaphor does no work in the context of top law schools, since no "doors" are closed or opened by going to one school over another or vise versa. To butcher the already pathetic metaphor, it would be more accurate to state that certain doors swing a slight angle wider, and others are basically open to the same degreeStudybuddy17 wrote:Not being vague purposefully, don't have full clarity at the moment and just trying to keep future doors openNpret wrote:No. I'm trying to clarify OPs actual goals because OP is vague as hell.lawlorbust wrote:Are you drunk posting?Npret wrote:Why do you think you won't get a clerkship from Columbia but you will from Harvard? What clerkship do you want?
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Yep. Look, OP, if you want someone want to tell you that "CLS is exactly the same as HLS for all job opportunities," no one can (truthfully) tell you that. HLS is a little better for most things, including clerkships. If the personal inconvenience you would suffer in moving to Cambridge is worth the slightly better opportunities you'll have coming out of HLS, then go to Harvard. If not, then go to Columbia. There's no right or wrong answer. But to the extent there's a determining factor here, it's a personal one. We can't weight/value the cost of your inconvenience in leaving NYC, so I'm afraid this thread is going to be of limited value.jbagelboy wrote: To butcher the already pathetic metaphor, it would be more accurate to state that certain doors swing a slight angle wider, and others are basically open to the same degree
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What you are saying makes alot of sense. As long as the real life differences between the two are not significant, then I would be content with the more convenient choice. However, if there are real benefits to be gained by attending Harvard (i.e. preference over Columbia students in hiring practices) then I obviously would not resign myself to the conveniences, despite their enticement.rpupkin wrote:Yep. Look, OP, if you want someone want to tell you that "CLS is exactly the same as HLS for all job opportunities," no one can (truthfully) tell you that. HLS is a little better for most things, including clerkships. If the personal inconvenience you would suffer in moving to Cambridge is worth the slightly better opportunities you'll have coming out of HLS, then go to Harvard. If not, then go to Columbia. There's no right or wrong answer. But to the extent that there's a determining factor here, it's a personal one. We can't weight/value the cost of your inconvenience in leaving NYC, so I'm afraid this thread is going to be of limited value.jbagelboy wrote: To butcher the already pathetic metaphor, it would be more accurate to state that certain doors swing a slight angle wider, and others are basically open to the same degree
What I am taking out from all of the helpful responses is that there is a somewhat tangible, albeit not very significant benefit between the two, and therefore the small benefits of Harvard over Columbia may still be mitigated depending on the level of difficulty involved
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180....perfectly statedrpupkin wrote:Yep. Look, OP, if you want someone want to tell you that "CLS is exactly the same as HLS for all job opportunities," no one can (truthfully) tell you that. HLS is a little better for most things, including clerkships. If the personal inconvenience you would suffer in moving to Cambridge is worth the slightly better opportunities you'll have coming out of HLS, then go to Harvard. If not, then go to Columbia. There's no right or wrong answer. But to the extent there's a determining factor here, it's a personal one. We can't weight/value the cost of your inconvenience in leaving NYC, so I'm afraid this thread is going to be of limited value.jbagelboy wrote: To butcher the already pathetic metaphor, it would be more accurate to state that certain doors swing a slight angle wider, and others are basically open to the same degree
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New to this forum, here are my thoughts. If you plan on working in NYC after law school then Columbia might have an edge. Anywhere else, in my humble opinion HLS has the edge, especially with federal judicial clerkships.
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Consistently the most useful poster on these types of threads, even with the occasional trolling thrown in.rpupkin wrote:Yep. Look, OP, if you want someone want to tell you that "CLS is exactly the same as HLS for all job opportunities," no one can (truthfully) tell you that. HLS is a little better for most things, including clerkships. If the personal inconvenience you would suffer in moving to Cambridge is worth the slightly better opportunities you'll have coming out of HLS, then go to Harvard. If not, then go to Columbia. There's no right or wrong answer. But to the extent there's a determining factor here, it's a personal one. We can't weight/value the cost of your inconvenience in leaving NYC, so I'm afraid this thread is going to be of limited value.jbagelboy wrote: To butcher the already pathetic metaphor, it would be more accurate to state that certain doors swing a slight angle wider, and others are basically open to the same degree
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