Whittier Shutting Down

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby Pragmatic Gun » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:42 pm

Some people simply should not go to law school.

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby half moon » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:52 pm

Pragmatic Gun wrote:Some people simply should not go to law school.

Absolutely. Until more schools follow Whittier out the door though, I don't expect much to change. There are plenty of other schools with bad placement rates that will be happy to tell prospective students that if they work hard they can do anything, and soak up the extra tuition money.

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby presidentspivey » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:55 pm

Pragmatic Gun wrote:Some people simply should not go to law school.

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby White Dwarf » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:57 pm

Pragmatic Gun wrote:Some people simply should not go to law school.

Yeah, but if that video shows you anything it's that "some people" just don't have the self-awareness to realize they're one of them. If you have to redo your 3L year because you couldn't cut it at the worst law school in the country, and still don't see the writing on the wall, there is no hope for you.

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby Greenteachurro » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:05 pm

White Dwarf wrote:
Pragmatic Gun wrote:Some people simply should not go to law school.

Yeah, but if that video shows you anything it's that "some people" just don't have the self-awareness to realize they're one of them. If you have to redo your 3L year because you couldn't cut it at the worst law school in the country, and still don't see the writing on the wall, there is no hope for you.


I'm pretty sure a lot of these people, who go to law schools like this, assume that passing the bar and becoming a lawyer is a sufficient condition for making six figures post-graduation.

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby Kummel » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:13 pm

White Dwarf wrote:
Pragmatic Gun wrote:Some people simply should not go to law school.

Yeah, but if that video shows you anything it's that "some people" just don't have the self-awareness to realize they're one of them. If you have to redo your 3L year because you couldn't cut it at the worst law school in the country, and still don't see the writing on the wall, there is no hope for you.


That ATL video was wild, but I guess what else do you expect

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby Pragmatic Gun » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:17 pm

DCfilterDC wrote:
White Dwarf wrote:
Pragmatic Gun wrote:Some people simply should not go to law school.

Yeah, but if that video shows you anything it's that "some people" just don't have the self-awareness to realize they're one of them. If you have to redo your 3L year because you couldn't cut it at the worst law school in the country, and still don't see the writing on the wall, there is no hope for you.


That ATL video was wild, but I guess what else do you expect


It was weird. The culture of that law school is light-years away from mine.

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby guynourmin » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:20 pm

Greenteachurro wrote:I'm pretty sure a lot of these people, who go to law schools like this, assume that passing the bar and becoming a lawyer is a sufficient condition for making six figures post-graduation.


pretty sure most people think that, unfortunately.

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby Kummel » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:24 pm

Pragmatic Gun wrote:
DCfilterDC wrote:
White Dwarf wrote:
Pragmatic Gun wrote:Some people simply should not go to law school.

Yeah, but if that video shows you anything it's that "some people" just don't have the self-awareness to realize they're one of them. If you have to redo your 3L year because you couldn't cut it at the worst law school in the country, and still don't see the writing on the wall, there is no hope for you.


That ATL video was wild, but I guess what else do you expect


It was weird. The culture of that law school is light-years away from mine.


Naw I think mostly everyone would react in the same way if it was announced suddenly that their law school was shutting down. Whittier was a dumb decision for those students, but their reaction is pretty normal--at least I think so.

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby anyriotgirl » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:27 pm

in fairness to the students, the people making the announcement seemed pretty unprepared for that meeting

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby Kummel » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:28 pm

anyriotgirl wrote:in fairness to the students, the people making the announcement seemed pretty unprepared for that meeting


"We're here to announce terrible news for all of you, and to let you know to e-mail us your questions, because we won't answer any now"

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby jjcorvino » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:48 pm

DCfilterDC wrote:
anyriotgirl wrote:in fairness to the students, the people making the announcement seemed pretty unprepared for that meeting


"We're here to announce terrible news for all of you, and to let you know to e-mail us your questions, because we won't answer any now"


Yeah that was terrible.

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby hammy393 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:55 pm

http://abovethelaw.com/2017/04/whittier ... -its-wake/

Wow... "Members of the class of 2016 had an average of $179,000 in pre-interest debt."

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby mjb447 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:57 pm

jjcorvino wrote:
DCfilterDC wrote:
anyriotgirl wrote:in fairness to the students, the people making the announcement seemed pretty unprepared for that meeting


"We're here to announce terrible news for all of you, and to let you know to e-mail us your questions, because we won't answer any now"


Yeah that was terrible.

Can't imagine what the presenters were thinking when they said "and now we'll stay here to answer your questions." Couldn't disclose much about how the decision was made (I don't think the presenters recognized how focused the students would be on re-litigating an issue that the presenters probably perceived as a done deal) and they had no information at all about next steps. What were they hoping the questions would be about?

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby Pomeranian » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:58 pm

There are way to many TTT law schools in California. There are several in LA metro area alone! I'm sure they will be happy to enroll the student-ATM's that would have gone to Whittier. :roll:

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby SmokeytheBear » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:14 pm

I sat next to someone from Whittier during the bar exam. She said it was her third attempt.

During the second day of essays (the third day), after everyone cracked open the booklet and started typing furiously, she just sat there and started to cry. She flipped to the next page and kept crying. Flipped to the last page and the tears didn't stop. She went to the bathroom and came back about ten minutes later. She slowly typed some stuff. Stopped. Then slowly typed some more. Flipped to the next page.

I didn't know how to feel. Part of me was frustrated that she was crying and distracting me. Part of me wanted to tell her to buck up and just start typing something. But a large part of me just felt bad for her that her school would let such a situation happen.

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby poptart123 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:17 pm

pissed

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby Greenteachurro » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:20 pm

mjb447 wrote:
jjcorvino wrote:
DCfilterDC wrote:
anyriotgirl wrote:in fairness to the students, the people making the announcement seemed pretty unprepared for that meeting


"We're here to announce terrible news for all of you, and to let you know to e-mail us your questions, because we won't answer any now"


Yeah that was terrible.

Can't imagine what the presenters were thinking when they said "and now we'll stay here to answer your questions." Couldn't disclose much about how the decision was made (I don't think the presenters recognized how focused the students would be on re-litigating an issue that the presenters probably perceived as a done deal) and they had no information at all about next steps. What were they hoping the questions would be about?


I'm sure the question part was just a formality. I'm sure they didn't really think much of it.

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby dietcoke1 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:24 pm

atl wrote: What’s critical to note here is that, as detailed in the faculty’s TRO application (posted on the next page), the Board sold off the land upon which the law school is built in January 2017, for the sum of $13 million. Faculty were allegedly led to believe that the money would be reinvested back into the law school, but here we are just a few months later, and the Board is crying poverty, claiming that there isn’t anything they’re able to do to save the law program at the school.


this just gets worse and worse

atl wrote: it’s difficult to understand why this devastating news was delivered to students one week before final exams. It’s almost as if the Board wants these law students to do poorly

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby cavalier1138 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:29 pm

Jesus, the complete lack of self-awareness in this student body...

I'm sympathetic to a point, but holy shit.

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby Anon.y.mousse. » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:34 pm

will be really interesting to see their ABA employment report next year (if they still have to do one?) to see if the claims of "but the 3ls this year have really great jobs lined up" is supported or not.

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby trebekismyhero » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:42 pm

dietcoke1 wrote:
atl wrote: What’s critical to note here is that, as detailed in the faculty’s TRO application (posted on the next page), the Board sold off the land upon which the law school is built in January 2017, for the sum of $13 million. Faculty were allegedly led to believe that the money would be reinvested back into the law school, but here we are just a few months later, and the Board is crying poverty, claiming that there isn’t anything they’re able to do to save the law program at the school.


this just gets worse and worse

atl wrote: it’s difficult to understand why this devastating news was delivered to students one week before final exams. It’s almost as if the Board wants these law students to do poorly


Was it handled right? No. But the best thing the board ever did for the current students, who by their own admission in the video are $200k in debt and need to retake classes just to get a 3.0, is to shut down the law school. They will be able to get a closed school discharge and won't have all that terrible debt with terrible job prospects hanging over their heads

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby dietcoke1 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:49 pm

trebekismyhero wrote:


I don't disagree. I guess I just didn't realize how bad the situation actually is/was.

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby JCougar » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:50 pm

yupyup wrote:The faculty tried to get a TRO.
http://abovethelaw.com/2017/04/whittier ... -its-wake/


LOL.

It's amazing just how little law profs generally know about actually practicing law and winning at the cases you take.

There's absolutely no way a court would grant a TRO to force a private business that is deep in the red to stay open.

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Re: Whittier Shutting Down

Postby star fox » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:51 pm

48.9 % Under-Employment. Damn. That's rough. 38.1 % Bar Passage Rate. Fuck.




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