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RParadela wrote:

vcap180 wrote:

RedPurpleBlue wrote:

TLS_Dreamer wrote:
But why aren't UVA and Duke more prestigious than Harvard? If the former schools give you better employment options, aren't people who say Harvard is better just objectively wrong? Why do people give Harvard higher standing? It just makes no sense to me.

I'm not sure if you're serious, but I'll bite. Prestige is marginally based on employment statistics. Harvard Law produces presidents, Attorney Generals, Supreme Court Justices, U.S. Representatives, and Senators. UVA and Duke can't even compete in those regards. Combined they have 2 SCOTUS justices (one of whom didn't even graduate UVA and the other served on the court over 70 years ago), two presidents (Wilson didn't even graduate from UVA Law, and Nixon resigned as to not get impeached), and a few Reps./Senators I imagine, but those are few in number compared to Harvard. Plus, Harvard Law gets the added bonus of the prestige produced by the Harvard UG (where some of the smartest/wealthiest students have gone for 100s of years), and Harvard Grad (where some of the most preeminent scholars, doctors, and business people have gone). UVA and Duke have what? Strong graduate history programs, okay business schools, and the latter has a good medical school. That's about it. Harvard Law also gets a ton of great PI/Gov't jobs that are prestigious that don't fit inside the really limited (and thus dumb) BL + FC box that TLS salivates over.

I think it's pretty clear why everyone views Harvard as objectively better, regardless of what a couple points on BL + FC employment percentages say.

the lay prestige meter, which is the only thing that matters, reads as follows:

Harvard >>> Duke > NYU > UVA

Lol NYU has 0 lay prestige. NYU has the least lay prestige out of the T13 IMO

goldenbear2020 wrote:

RParadela wrote:

vcap180 wrote:

RedPurpleBlue wrote:

TLS_Dreamer wrote:
But why aren't UVA and Duke more prestigious than Harvard? If the former schools give you better employment options, aren't people who say Harvard is better just objectively wrong? Why do people give Harvard higher standing? It just makes no sense to me.

I'm not sure if you're serious, but I'll bite. Prestige is marginally based on employment statistics. Harvard Law produces presidents, Attorney Generals, Supreme Court Justices, U.S. Representatives, and Senators. UVA and Duke can't even compete in those regards. Combined they have 2 SCOTUS justices (one of whom didn't even graduate UVA and the other served on the court over 70 years ago), two presidents (Wilson didn't even graduate from UVA Law, and Nixon resigned as to not get impeached), and a few Reps./Senators I imagine, but those are few in number compared to Harvard. Plus, Harvard Law gets the added bonus of the prestige produced by the Harvard UG (where some of the smartest/wealthiest students have gone for 100s of years), and Harvard Grad (where some of the most preeminent scholars, doctors, and business people have gone). UVA and Duke have what? Strong graduate history programs, okay business schools, and the latter has a good medical school. That's about it. Harvard Law also gets a ton of great PI/Gov't jobs that are prestigious that don't fit inside the really limited (and thus dumb) BL + FC box that TLS salivates over.

I think it's pretty clear why everyone views Harvard as objectively better, regardless of what a couple points on BL + FC employment percentages say.

the lay prestige meter, which is the only thing that matters, reads as follows:

Harvard >>> Duke > NYU > UVA

Lol NYU has 0 lay prestige. NYU has the least lay prestige out of the T13 IMO

I agree NYU has low lay prestige, but it should beat at least Chicago, Virginia, Berkeley, and maybe Penn (State?).

lawlzschool wrote:

Thelaw23 wrote:

Toni V wrote:IVY League LST breakout
………………..Employ% • Big Law%

UPENN 89.8 • 66.3
CORNELL 89.6 • 62.8
COLUMBIA 87.2 • 73.6
HARVARD 85.7 • 51.8
YALE 81.2 • 38.5

Where's Princeton Law bruh

this past week i had someone ask me why i didnt apply to princeton law

"because... it doesn't...exist...?"

Toni V wrote:

lawlzschool wrote:

Thelaw23 wrote:

Toni V wrote:IVY League LST breakout
………………..Employ% • Big Law%

UPENN 89.8 • 66.3
CORNELL 89.6 • 62.8
COLUMBIA 87.2 • 73.6
HARVARD 85.7 • 51.8
YALE 81.2 • 38.5

Where's Princeton Law bruh

this past week i had someone ask me why i didnt apply to princeton law

"because... it doesn't...exist...?"

You can attend Princeton's law school...once you build a time machine.

The Law School at the College of New Jersey (now Princeton University) was a department of Princeton University from 1847 until 1852.

buckiguy_sucks wrote:

grades?? wrote: How many presidents has Columbia law graduated?

University of Cincinnati College of Law and Albany Law School finally getting the respect they deserve on these fora

jbagelboy wrote:

buckiguy_sucks wrote:

grades?? wrote: How many presidents has Columbia law graduated?

University of Cincinnati College of Law and Albany Law School finally getting the respect they deserve on these fora

Franklin Roosevelt and Teddy Roosevelt both went to Columbia law school.

rpupkin wrote:UT's numbers are closer to Fordham's and BU's than to GULC's. It's ironic that TLS has recently bandied about the question of "does UT now belong in the T14?" It sounds like the better question is: "does UT even belong in the T20?"

curry1 wrote: Franklin Roosevelt and Teddy Roosevelt both went to Columbia law school.

rpupkin wrote:

curry1 wrote: Franklin Roosevelt and Teddy Roosevelt both went to Columbia law school.

Yeah, and both dropped out (TR after his first year and FDR after his second). Once they realized how little prestige CLS had compared to HLS and YLS, they knew it wasn't worth their time.

rpupkin wrote:

curry1 wrote: Franklin Roosevelt and Teddy Roosevelt both went to Columbia law school.

Yeah, and both dropped out (TR after his first year and FDR after his second). Once they realized how little prestige CLS had compared to HLS and YLS, they knew it wasn't worth their time.

rpupkin wrote:

curry1 wrote: Franklin Roosevelt and Teddy Roosevelt both went to Columbia law school.

Yeah, and both dropped out (TR after his first year and FDR after his second). Once they realized how little prestige CLS had compared to HLS and YLS, they knew it wasn't worth their time.

TLS_Dreamer wrote:

cavalier1138 wrote:

TLS_Dreamer wrote:What are the odds that Duke (77.7%) and UVA (76.9%) pass NYU (74.5%) in the rankings in the next few years?

Assuming you're serious, no chance at all.

Why though? Their BL+Clerk is a good bit higher. Even ud you include PI and Gov they're just like equal. Why is NYU even regarded more highly?

cavalier1138 wrote:

TLS_Dreamer wrote:

cavalier1138 wrote:

TLS_Dreamer wrote:What are the odds that Duke (77.7%) and UVA (76.9%) pass NYU (74.5%) in the rankings in the next few years?

Assuming you're serious, no chance at all.

Why though? Their BL+Clerk is a good bit higher. Even ud you include PI and Gov they're just like equal. Why is NYU even regarded more highly?

How are Duke and NYU "equal" in PI/gov placement?

NYU has a lower BL+FC number because a very large number of people go into PI.

TLS_Dreamer wrote:

cavalier1138 wrote:

TLS_Dreamer wrote:

cavalier1138 wrote:

TLS_Dreamer wrote:What are the odds that Duke (77.7%) and UVA (76.9%) pass NYU (74.5%) in the rankings in the next few years?

Assuming you're serious, no chance at all.

Why though? Their BL+Clerk is a good bit higher. Even ud you include PI and Gov they're just like equal. Why is NYU even regarded more highly?

How are Duke and NYU "equal" in PI/gov placement?

NYU has a lower BL+FC number because a very large number of people go into PI.

If you add BL+FC+PI+Gov Duke and NYU are very close. I don't remember the exact #s

RSN wrote:

rpupkin wrote:

curry1 wrote: Franklin Roosevelt and Teddy Roosevelt both went to Columbia law school.

Yeah, and both dropped out (TR after his first year and FDR after his second). Once they realized how little prestige CLS had compared to HLS and YLS, they knew it wasn't worth their time.

Vicious but actually probably true at the time

goldenbear2020 wrote:

RParadela wrote:

vcap180 wrote:

RedPurpleBlue wrote:

TLS_Dreamer wrote:
But why aren't UVA and Duke more prestigious than Harvard? If the former schools give you better employment options, aren't people who say Harvard is better just objectively wrong? Why do people give Harvard higher standing? It just makes no sense to me.

I'm not sure if you're serious, but I'll bite. Prestige is marginally based on employment statistics. Harvard Law produces presidents, Attorney Generals, Supreme Court Justices, U.S. Representatives, and Senators. UVA and Duke can't even compete in those regards. Combined they have 2 SCOTUS justices (one of whom didn't even graduate UVA and the other served on the court over 70 years ago), two presidents (Wilson didn't even graduate from UVA Law, and Nixon resigned as to not get impeached), and a few Reps./Senators I imagine, but those are few in number compared to Harvard. Plus, Harvard Law gets the added bonus of the prestige produced by the Harvard UG (where some of the smartest/wealthiest students have gone for 100s of years), and Harvard Grad (where some of the most preeminent scholars, doctors, and business people have gone). UVA and Duke have what? Strong graduate history programs, okay business schools, and the latter has a good medical school. That's about it. Harvard Law also gets a ton of great PI/Gov't jobs that are prestigious that don't fit inside the really limited (and thus dumb) BL + FC box that TLS salivates over.

I think it's pretty clear why everyone views Harvard as objectively better, regardless of what a couple points on BL + FC employment percentages say.

the lay prestige meter, which is the only thing that matters, reads as follows:

Harvard >>> Duke > NYU > UVA

Lol NYU has 0 lay prestige. NYU has the least lay prestige out of the T13 IMO

I agree NYU has low lay prestige, but it should beat at least Chicago, Virginia, Berkeley, and maybe Penn (State?).

jbagelboy wrote:

RSN wrote:

rpupkin wrote:

curry1 wrote: Franklin Roosevelt and Teddy Roosevelt both went to Columbia law school.

Yeah, and both dropped out (TR after his first year and FDR after his second). Once they realized how little prestige CLS had compared to HLS and YLS, they knew it wasn't worth their time.

Vicious but actually probably true at the time

Historically/factually speaking they left the school because prior to WWII it was far less important to actually receive a law degree, and students would satisfy the historical equivalent of 'graduated' once they were able to sit for the bar, whereupon they usually left.

Po$eidon wrote:

goldenbear2020 wrote:

RParadela wrote:

vcap180 wrote:

RedPurpleBlue wrote:

TLS_Dreamer wrote:
But why aren't UVA and Duke more prestigious than Harvard? If the former schools give you better employment options, aren't people who say Harvard is better just objectively wrong? Why do people give Harvard higher standing? It just makes no sense to me.

I'm not sure if you're serious, but I'll bite. Prestige is marginally based on employment statistics. Harvard Law produces presidents, Attorney Generals, Supreme Court Justices, U.S. Representatives, and Senators. UVA and Duke can't even compete in those regards. Combined they have 2 SCOTUS justices (one of whom didn't even graduate UVA and the other served on the court over 70 years ago), two presidents (Wilson didn't even graduate from UVA Law, and Nixon resigned as to not get impeached), and a few Reps./Senators I imagine, but those are few in number compared to Harvard. Plus, Harvard Law gets the added bonus of the prestige produced by the Harvard UG (where some of the smartest/wealthiest students have gone for 100s of years), and Harvard Grad (where some of the most preeminent scholars, doctors, and business people have gone). UVA and Duke have what? Strong graduate history programs, okay business schools, and the latter has a good medical school. That's about it. Harvard Law also gets a ton of great PI/Gov't jobs that are prestigious that don't fit inside the really limited (and thus dumb) BL + FC box that TLS salivates over.

I think it's pretty clear why everyone views Harvard as objectively better, regardless of what a couple points on BL + FC employment percentages say.

the lay prestige meter, which is the only thing that matters, reads as follows:

Harvard >>> Duke > NYU > UVA

Lol NYU has 0 lay prestige. NYU has the least lay prestige out of the T13 IMO

I agree NYU has low lay prestige, but it should beat at least Chicago, Virginia, Berkeley, and maybe Penn (State?).

Definitely doesn't beat Berkeley (which has huge lay prestige) or Chicago (which has pretty significant lay prestige).