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DCfilterDC wrote:

A. Nony Mouse wrote:I have never heard of anyone negotiating LRAP. I don't think it's at all plausible.

You can negotiate LRAP. Some schools have "LRAP scholarships," which are basically expanded LRAP programs that you are awarded on the front end (as an incoming student). Say the income cap is 50k, some schools have LRAP scholarships that they award to incoming students that have income caps of 100k.

Hand wrote:Also Nebby, the Duke # for 2016 in the OP is incorrect and the link doesn't work, they have 19/224 grads in public interest or government, see https://law.duke.edu/sites/default/file ... 2016v2.pdf

GULC has 159/610 (26.1%) for the c/o 2016, see https://www.law.georgetown.edu/careers/ ... mary-2.pdf

Nebby wrote:

Hand wrote:Also Nebby, the Duke # for 2016 in the OP is incorrect and the link doesn't work, they have 19/224 grads in public interest or government, see https://law.duke.edu/sites/default/file ... 2016v2.pdf

GULC has 159/610 (26.1%) for the c/o 2016, see https://www.law.georgetown.edu/careers/ ... mary-2.pdf

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I only do FT/LT PI + Gov

cavalier1138 wrote:

DCfilterDC wrote:

A. Nony Mouse wrote:I have never heard of anyone negotiating LRAP. I don't think it's at all plausible.

You can negotiate LRAP. Some schools have "LRAP scholarships," which are basically expanded LRAP programs that you are awarded on the front end (as an incoming student). Say the income cap is 50k, some schools have LRAP scholarships that they award to incoming students that have income caps of 100k.

Can you link to an example? Are they scholarships? Or special guarantees on your loans?

Anyway, outside of those situations, you really don't have the ability to tell Columbia, "I'll come, but only if I get a guarantee that I can receive LRAP for [x] job with [y] salary."

Enhanced LRAP Fellowships

Several Enhanced LRAP Fellowships have been established at Columbia Law School, and are awarded to students who have demonstrated dedication to and exceptional promise for leadership in public interest law. These fellowships are designed to supplement the benefits of LRAP, and can cover as much as 100% of eligible debt service for loans borrowed up to the cost of Law School tuition for fellows whose annual income does not exceed $100,000. Fellows are selected at the time of their admission to the Law School (no separate application is necessary) and at graduation. Please contact the Social Justice Initiatives Office for more information.

DCfilterDC wrote:

cavalier1138 wrote:

DCfilterDC wrote:

A. Nony Mouse wrote:I have never heard of anyone negotiating LRAP. I don't think it's at all plausible.

You can negotiate LRAP. Some schools have "LRAP scholarships," which are basically expanded LRAP programs that you are awarded on the front end (as an incoming student). Say the income cap is 50k, some schools have LRAP scholarships that they award to incoming students that have income caps of 100k.

Can you link to an example? Are they scholarships? Or special guarantees on your loans?

Anyway, outside of those situations, you really don't have the ability to tell Columbia, "I'll come, but only if I get a guarantee that I can receive LRAP for [x] job with [y] salary."

Enhanced LRAP Fellowships

Several Enhanced LRAP Fellowships have been established at Columbia Law School, and are awarded to students who have demonstrated dedication to and exceptional promise for leadership in public interest law. These fellowships are designed to supplement the benefits of LRAP, and can cover as much as 100% of eligible debt service for loans borrowed up to the cost of Law School tuition for fellows whose annual income does not exceed $100,000. Fellows are selected at the time of their admission to the Law School (no separate application is necessary) and at graduation. Please contact the Social Justice Initiatives Office for more information.

http://www.law.columbia.edu/financial-a ... st-lawyers

Nebby wrote:

DCfilterDC wrote:

cavalier1138 wrote:

DCfilterDC wrote:

A. Nony Mouse wrote:I have never heard of anyone negotiating LRAP. I don't think it's at all plausible.

You can negotiate LRAP. Some schools have "LRAP scholarships," which are basically expanded LRAP programs that you are awarded on the front end (as an incoming student). Say the income cap is 50k, some schools have LRAP scholarships that they award to incoming students that have income caps of 100k.

Can you link to an example? Are they scholarships? Or special guarantees on your loans?

Anyway, outside of those situations, you really don't have the ability to tell Columbia, "I'll come, but only if I get a guarantee that I can receive LRAP for [x] job with [y] salary."

Enhanced LRAP Fellowships

Several Enhanced LRAP Fellowships have been established at Columbia Law School, and are awarded to students who have demonstrated dedication to and exceptional promise for leadership in public interest law. These fellowships are designed to supplement the benefits of LRAP, and can cover as much as 100% of eligible debt service for loans borrowed up to the cost of Law School tuition for fellows whose annual income does not exceed $100,000. Fellows are selected at the time of their admission to the Law School (no separate application is necessary) and at graduation. Please contact the Social Justice Initiatives Office for more information.

http://www.law.columbia.edu/financial-a ... st-lawyers

True, but they're not that much different than the 100k everyone can get with one of the combined LRAP/PAYE packages

DCfilterDC wrote:

Nebby wrote:

DCfilterDC wrote:

cavalier1138 wrote:

DCfilterDC wrote:

A. Nony Mouse wrote:I have never heard of anyone negotiating LRAP. I don't think it's at all plausible.

You can negotiate LRAP. Some schools have "LRAP scholarships," which are basically expanded LRAP programs that you are awarded on the front end (as an incoming student). Say the income cap is 50k, some schools have LRAP scholarships that they award to incoming students that have income caps of 100k.

Can you link to an example? Are they scholarships? Or special guarantees on your loans?

Anyway, outside of those situations, you really don't have the ability to tell Columbia, "I'll come, but only if I get a guarantee that I can receive LRAP for [x] job with [y] salary."

Enhanced LRAP Fellowships

Several Enhanced LRAP Fellowships have been established at Columbia Law School, and are awarded to students who have demonstrated dedication to and exceptional promise for leadership in public interest law. These fellowships are designed to supplement the benefits of LRAP, and can cover as much as 100% of eligible debt service for loans borrowed up to the cost of Law School tuition for fellows whose annual income does not exceed $100,000. Fellows are selected at the time of their admission to the Law School (no separate application is necessary) and at graduation. Please contact the Social Justice Initiatives Office for more information.

http://www.law.columbia.edu/financial-a ... st-lawyers

True, but they're not that much different than the 100k everyone can get with one of the combined LRAP/PAYE packages

It's very very different. Significantly more security, more professions covered, entire loan amount paid vs. just PAYE. If you leave qualifying employment after 5 years your debt is half paid off and you don't owe anything back to CLS. If you leave the LRAP/PAYE program after 5 years, you don't owe anything back to CLS but your loan amount has ballooned and you're fucked.

Also some of these fellowships are 5 years pay-off instead of 10

Nebby wrote:

DCfilterDC wrote:

Nebby wrote:

DCfilterDC wrote:

cavalier1138 wrote:

DCfilterDC wrote:

A. Nony Mouse wrote:I have never heard of anyone negotiating LRAP. I don't think it's at all plausible.

You can negotiate LRAP. Some schools have "LRAP scholarships," which are basically expanded LRAP programs that you are awarded on the front end (as an incoming student). Say the income cap is 50k, some schools have LRAP scholarships that they award to incoming students that have income caps of 100k.

Can you link to an example? Are they scholarships? Or special guarantees on your loans?

Anyway, outside of those situations, you really don't have the ability to tell Columbia, "I'll come, but only if I get a guarantee that I can receive LRAP for [x] job with [y] salary."

Enhanced LRAP Fellowships

Several Enhanced LRAP Fellowships have been established at Columbia Law School, and are awarded to students who have demonstrated dedication to and exceptional promise for leadership in public interest law. These fellowships are designed to supplement the benefits of LRAP, and can cover as much as 100% of eligible debt service for loans borrowed up to the cost of Law School tuition for fellows whose annual income does not exceed $100,000. Fellows are selected at the time of their admission to the Law School (no separate application is necessary) and at graduation. Please contact the Social Justice Initiatives Office for more information.

http://www.law.columbia.edu/financial-a ... st-lawyers

True, but they're not that much different than the 100k everyone can get with one of the combined LRAP/PAYE packages

It's very very different. Significantly more security, more professions covered, entire loan amount paid vs. just PAYE. If you leave qualifying employment after 5 years your debt is half paid off and you don't owe anything back to CLS. If you leave the LRAP/PAYE program after 5 years, you don't owe anything back to CLS but your loan amount has ballooned and you're fucked.

Also some of these fellowships are 5 years pay-off instead of 10

Did you get one or do you know anyone else with one? I have never heard of these upfront LRAP offers before.

A. Nony Mouse wrote:I suspect a lot of schools with less robust LRAPs aren't going to offer something like that (doesn't Columbia already offer a couple different options?).

Earlskies wrote:Are clerkships helpful for PI folks? Specifically, should the clerkship placement numbers be a factor in choosing a school if I'm interested in environmental law at a nonprofit?

Nebby wrote:

Earlskies wrote:Are clerkships helpful for PI folks? Specifically, should the clerkship placement numbers be a factor in choosing a school if I'm interested in environmental law at a nonprofit?

Clerkship placement should be a factor, but only one of many. You can gain entry-level employment in environmental law jobs from any T14. More important factors should be whether the school has good experiential, hands-on learning opportunities, financial aid considerations/LRAP, geographic location, etc. Here's some literature for you to review to gain a better understanding of careers in environmental law: https://law.yale.edu/system/files/area/ ... Public.pdf

Earlskies wrote:

Nebby wrote:

Earlskies wrote:Are clerkships helpful for PI folks? Specifically, should the clerkship placement numbers be a factor in choosing a school if I'm interested in environmental law at a nonprofit?

Clerkship placement should be a factor, but only one of many. You can gain entry-level employment in environmental law jobs from any T14. More important factors should be whether the school has good experiential, hands-on learning opportunities, financial aid considerations/LRAP, geographic location, etc. Here's some literature for you to review to gain a better understanding of careers in environmental law: https://law.yale.edu/system/files/area/ ... Public.pdf

Is geographic location a big concern when we start talking about t-13/14/whateveritscallednow?

Nebby wrote:

Earlskies wrote:

Nebby wrote:

Earlskies wrote:Are clerkships helpful for PI folks? Specifically, should the clerkship placement numbers be a factor in choosing a school if I'm interested in environmental law at a nonprofit?

Clerkship placement should be a factor, but only one of many. You can gain entry-level employment in environmental law jobs from any T14. More important factors should be whether the school has good experiential, hands-on learning opportunities, financial aid considerations/LRAP, geographic location, etc. Here's some literature for you to review to gain a better understanding of careers in environmental law: https://law.yale.edu/system/files/area/ ... Public.pdf

Is geographic location a big concern when we start talking about t-13/14/whateveritscallednow?

Not a huge concern but one factor to consider. If I wanted to work in California, I'd choose Berkeley over NYU, for instance.

Nebby wrote: careers in environmental law: https://law.yale.edu/system/files/area/ ... Public.pdf

RedPurpleBlue wrote:

Nebby wrote: careers in environmental law: https://law.yale.edu/system/files/area/ ... Public.pdf

Yo, Nebby. Does Yale have more of these awesome career guides for other fields of law. If so, could you point me to the page where they are all located? I searched around for a bit on the YLS website but couldn't seem to find them.

Nebby wrote: Columbia Law School
CLS has tons of opportunities for out-of-classroom learning experiences. Up to 21 30 credit hours at CLS can be non-graded credits, which means that you can take up to 21 30 hours of clinics, externships, and fieldwork. In addition, CLS offers a full-time, semester-long externship in the federal government in Washington, DC, and it also offers human rights semesters abroad. SPIN (Student Public Interest Network) is the main PI student organization where PI students of all goals can socialize and meet fellow students.

DCfilterDC wrote:

Nebby wrote: Columbia Law School
CLS has tons of opportunities for out-of-classroom learning experiences. Up to 21 30 credit hours at CLS can be non-graded credits, which means that you can take up to 21 30 hours of clinics, externships, and fieldwork. In addition, CLS offers a full-time, semester-long externship in the federal government in Washington, DC, and it also offers human rights semesters abroad. SPIN (Student Public Interest Network) is the main PI student organization where PI students of all goals can socialize and meet fellow students.

Nebby wrote:Now that all the data is out I'll update this once work dies down

Nebby wrote:

DCfilterDC wrote:

Nebby wrote: Columbia Law School
CLS has tons of opportunities for out-of-classroom learning experiences. Up to 21 30 credit hours at CLS can be non-graded credits, which means that you can take up to 21 30 hours of clinics, externships, and fieldwork. In addition, CLS offers a full-time, semester-long externship in the federal government in Washington, DC, and it also offers human rights semesters abroad. SPIN (Student Public Interest Network) is the main PI student organization where PI students of all goals can socialize and meet fellow students.

Damn, that's new, right? That's awesome! 30 hours is so much! This is great news for anyone who wants to gain a lot of hands-on experience in law school

TheKisSquared wrote:

Nebby wrote:

DCfilterDC wrote:

Nebby wrote: Columbia Law School
CLS has tons of opportunities for out-of-classroom learning experiences. Up to 21 30 credit hours at CLS can be non-graded credits, which means that you can take up to 21 30 hours of clinics, externships, and fieldwork. In addition, CLS offers a full-time, semester-long externship in the federal government in Washington, DC, and it also offers human rights semesters abroad. SPIN (Student Public Interest Network) is the main PI student organization where PI students of all goals can socialize and meet fellow students.

Damn, that's new, right? That's awesome! 30 hours is so much! This is great news for anyone who wants to gain a lot of hands-on experience in law school

Do HP/P/F classes count as 'ungraded'? (eg LPW/Moot courts)