Top Law Schools

If you want to see any other rankings (transfers, # of courses), PM me and I'll add it.

LRW
Yale: Ungraded, but built into another class so it's P/F
Harvard: Graded H/P/LP/F
Stanford: Graded H/P (with rare case of restricted credit)
Columbia: Graded HP/P/LP/F (Doesn't factor into GPA)
Chicago: 1 Quarter Ungraded, 2 Graded
NYU: P/F
Penn: H/P/F
UVA: Graded P/F (Doesn't factor into GPA)
Berkeley: 1 Semester Credit/No Credit (but everyone gets credit), 1 Semester HH/H/P
UMich: Graded H/P/F
Duke: Graded
Northwestern:
Cornell: Graded
Georgetown: Graded

Class Size

1. Stanford 179
2. Cornell 193
3. Chicago 196
4. Yale 201
5. Duke 208
6. Northwestern 228
7. Penn 251
8. Berkeley 280
9. Michigan 314
10. UVA 331
11. Columbia 356
12. NYU 439
13. Georgetown 544
14. Harvard 569

Net transfers (percent change in class size)

1. GULC +114 (+21.0%)
2. Columbia +50 (+14.0%)
3. NYU +46 (+10.5%)
4. Northwestern +41 (+18.0%)
5. Harvard +34 (+6.0%)
6. Berkeley +24 (+8.6%)
7. Chicago +21 (+10.7%)
8. Michigan +20 (+6.4%)
9. Yale +13 (+6.5%)
10. UVA +11 (+3.3%)
11. Stanford +10 (+5.6%)
12. Duke +9 (+4.3%)
13. Penn +9 (+3.6%)
14. Cornell -4 (-2.1%)

Student to Faculty Ratio

1. Stanford 7.26 to one
2. Columbia 7.28 to one
3. Yale 7.72 to one
4. Northwestern 8.31 to one
5. NYU 8.86 to one
6. Duke 9.26 to one
7. Cornell 10.32 to one
8. Penn 10.44 to one
9. Chicago 11.03 to one
10. Georgetown 11.2 to one
11. UVA 11.26 to one
12. Harvard 11.89 to one
13. Michigan 12.37 to one
14. Berkeley 12.5 to one

Minority Enrollment

1. Berkeley 39.4%
2. Stanford 38.9%
3. Cornell 35.3%
4. Columbia 32.9%
5. Yale 31.5%
6. Harvard 31.4%
7. Northwestern 30.9%
8. Penn 28.8%
9. NYU 27.8%
10. Duke 26.9%
11. Chicago 25.8%
12. Michigan 22.4%
13. UVA 21.3%
14. Georgetown 15.6%

Female Enrollment

1. Berkeley 54.4%
2. Harvard 47.8%
3. Columbia 46.7%
4. Yale 46.3%
5. Cornell 46.2%
6. Penn 46.2%
7. Georgetown 45.9%
8. Michigan 45.4%
9. Stanford 44.8%
10. Northwestern 44.2%
11. UVA 44.1%
12. Duke 44%
13. NYU 43.7%
14. Chicago 43%

Cost of Attendance (2014-15)

1. Duke $75,103
2. Harvard $81,900

Cost of Attendance (2013-14)
Note: Assumes Out-of-State and Off-Campus

1. Michigan $71,484
2. UVA $73,780
3. Duke $73,899
4. Yale $74,790
5. Northwestern $76,382
6. Georgetown $76,500
7. Chicago $76,779
8. Penn $76,860
9. Cornell $77,106
10. Berkeley $77,885
11. Harvard $78,700
12. NYU $80,048
13. Columbia $80,399
14. Stanford $81,726

Students Receiving Grants

1. Duke 85.3%
2. Michigan 71.9%
3. Chicago 64.3%
4. Yale 57.6%
5. Berkeley 57.6%
6. Stanford 53.6%
7. Penn 48.6%
8. Cornell 47.7%
9. Harvard 47.5%
10. Columbia 45.7%
11. Northwestern 39.7%
12. UVA 37.2%
13. NYU 37.1%
14. Georgetown 33.2%

Median Grant
Note: Remember that Median=middle, not average as I had thought

1. UVA $25,000
2. Yale $22,322
3. Stanford $21,938
4. Northwestern $20,000
5. NYU $20,000
6. Harvard $19,800
7. Duke $18,000
8. Georgetown $18,000
9. Penn $16,523
10. Berkeley $16,358
11. Michigan $15,000
12. Chicago $15,000
13. Cornell $15,000
14. Columbia $12,000

Percentage of students with half-tuition scholarship or greater (half to full tuition/full tuition and up)

1. Stanford 24.4% (22.3/2.1)
2. Yale 23.7% (23.7/0.2)
3. UVA 17.8% (11.9/5.9)
4. Harvard 16.0% (13.8/2.2)
5. Chicago 13.6% (7.2/6.4)
6. Northwestern 12.8% (12/0.8 )
7. Berkeley 12.0% (10.7/1.3)
8. GULC 11.5% (11.5/0)
9. NYU 10.2% (3.3/6.9)
10. Penn 9.7% (5.8/3.9)
11. Columbia 9.2% (8/1.2)
12. Duke 9.0% (6.7/2.3)
13. Michigan 6.9% (2.8/4.1)
14. Cornell 6.7% (6.7/0)

Has Part-Time Students
Yale: No
Harvard: No
Stanford: No
Columbia: Yes (Only 4 though)
Chicago: No
NYU: No
Penn: No
UVA: No
Berkeley: Yes (Only 1 though)
UMich: No
Duke: Yes
Northwestern: No
Cornell: No
Georgetown: Yes

Number of course titles beyond 1L curriculum

1. Georgetown: 477
2. Harvard: 356
3. NYU: 329
4. Columbia: 295
5. Stanford: 274
6. UVA: 251
7. Berkeley: 248
8. Northwestern: 236
9. Michigan: 223
10. Duke: 214
11. Yale: 202
12. Chicago: 194
13. Penn: 187
14. Cornell: 157

Number of positions in faculty-supervised clinical courses

1. Harvard: 626 (0.36 spots per student, 85.9% filled)
2. Yale: 625 (1.02 spots per student, 85.8% filled)
3. NYU: 445 (0.3 spots per student, 95.7% filled)
4. Michigan: 430 (0.38 spots per student, 100% filled)
5. Berkeley: 403 (0.47 spots per student, 53.6% filled)
6. Northwestern: 353 (0.44 spots per student, 93.5% filled)
7. Georgetown: 296 (0.15 spots per student, 91.6% filled)
8. Stanford: 281 (0.49 spots per student, 80.4% filled)
9. Duke: 258 (0.39 spots per student, 75.6% filled)
10. Chicago: 256 (0.42 spots per student, 80.1% filled)
11. Cornell: 243 (0.41 spots per student, 89.7% filled)
12. UVA: 201 (0.19 spots per student, 95.5% filled)
13. Columbia: 165 (0.13 spots per student, 100% filled)
14. Penn: 164 (0.21 spots per student, 98.2% filled)

Percent of students who participate in law journals

1. Yale: 73.3%
2. Stanford: 68.7%
3. Harvard: 63.7%
4. UVA: 63.7%
5. Duke: 59.4%
6. Columbia: 55.5%
7. Northwestern: 55%
8. Penn: 53%
9. Michigan: 51.5%
10. Cornell: 48.3%
11. NYU: 47.7%
12. Georgetown: 40.9%
13. Berkeley: 36.2%
14. Chicago: 23%

1L attrition rates

1. Penn: 0% (0 students)
2. Cornell: 0% (0 students)
3. Columbia: 0.3% (1 student)
4. Harvard: 0.4% (2 students)
5. Yale: 0.5% (1 student)
6. Chicago: 1.1% (2 students)
7. NYU: 1.1% (5 students)
8. Berkeley: 1.1% (3 students)
9. Northwestern: 1.2% (3 students)
10. Duke: 1.5% (3 students)
11. Stanford: 1.7% (3 students)
12. Michigan: 1.7% (6 students)
13. UVA: 2.2% (8 students)
14. Georgetown: 3.3% (19 students)

Extra-Curricular Expectations for 1L's
Yale: ?
Harvard: None (though most do a journal and/or pro-bono)
Stanford: Journal and Pro-bono
Columbia: ?
Chicago: ?
NYU: Pro-bono
Penn: ?
UVA: ?
Berkeley: Yes?
UMich: ?
Duke: ?
Northwestern: ?
Cornell: ?
Georgetown: Pro-bono

Aside from the LWR info, everything else was pulled from the ABA school reports which are self reporting by each school.

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Good to see an updated thread.

Chicago has 1 quarter ungraded, and 2 quarters graded LRW.

Columbia is HP/P/LP/F

Percentage of students with half-tuition scholarship or greater (half to full tuition/full tuition and up):

1) Stanford 24.4% (22.3/2.1)
2) Yale 23.7% (23.7/0.2)
3) UVA 17.8% (11.9/5.9)
4) Harvard 16.0% (13.8/2.2)
5) Chicago 13.6% (7.2/6.4)
6) Northwestern 12.8% (12/0.8 )
7) Berkeley 12.0% (10.7/1.3)
8 )GULC 11.5% (11.5/0)
9) NYU 10.2% (3.3/6.9)
10) Penn 9.7% (5.8/3.9)
11) Columbia 9.2% (8/1.2)
12) Duke 9.0% (6.7/2.3)
13) Michigan 6.9% (2.8/4.1)
14) Cornell 6.7% (6.7/0)

Thanks for the update HorseThief. Does anyone know what is up with the part-time students at Columbia? I'm guessing that is available only under exceptional circumstances.

Tag

Updated. Thanks for the LRW info.


Re: Part-Time at Columbia, they didn't admit anyone pt, so I'd assume it's either an unusual dual degree person or a personal issue.


Also, I have all of this data for the T35 schools. Would it be helpful for me to rank them as well, or would it just be too much at that point?

UVA LRW is P/F.

Net transfers (percent change in class size):

1) GULC +114 (+21.0%)
2) Columbia +50 (+14.0%)
3) NYU +46 (+10.5%)
4) Northwestern +41 (+18.0%)
5) Harvard +34 (+6.0%)
6) Berkeley +24 (+8.6%)
7) Chicago +21 (+10.7%)
8 )Michigan +20 (+6.4%)
9) Yale +13 (+6.5%)
10) UVA +11 (+3.3%)
11) Stanford +10 (+5.6%)
12) Duke +9 (+4.3%)
13) Penn +9 (+3.6%)
14) Cornell -4 (-2.1%)

Where did you find Georgetown's minority enrollment at 43.5%? This doesn't sound right for what I've seen on LSAC and their admissions fact sheet.

HorseThief wrote:Also, I have all of this data for the T35 schools. Would it be helpful for me to rank them as well, or would it just be too much at that point?

I would be interested in the LRW information for more schools, no strong feelings on the rest of the categories.

Cornell and Duke have graded LRW.

Berkeley LRW is ungraded (really credit/no credit, but everyone gets credit) first semester, High Honors/Honors/Pass second semester.

I have to say though, I really think the LRW grading thing is blown out of proportion on here. At Berkeley, LRW ends like a month before all other classes both in the fall and the spring. I can't see LRW having any significant impact on other grades. But maybe that's just me.

NYU's LRW is P/F.

Hrun wrote:Where did you find Georgetown's minority enrollment at 43.5%? This doesn't sound right for what I've seen on LSAC and their admissions fact sheet.

That was my mistake. 43.5% is their 'white' enrollment (which is just below the 'total minority' number. Their minority is actually the lowest at 15.6%. Sorry about the error, and thanks for the catch.

Chicago is incorrect in the OP; it's two graded and one ungraded.

Dammit, I am so bad at this. Someone else probably should have made the thread....

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Thanks for updating this thread!

Here are some categories I thought might be useful to add (also from the ABA 509 forms)...

Number of course titles beyond 1L curriculum:
1) Georgetown: 477
2) Harvard: 356
3) NYU: 329
4) Columbia: 295
5) Stanford: 274
6) UVA: 251
7) Berkeley: 248
8 ) Northwestern: 236
9) Michigan: 223
10) Duke: 214
11) Yale: 202
12) Chicago: 194
13) Penn: 187
14) Cornell: 157

UPDATED: Number of positions in faculty-supervised clinical courses:
1) Harvard: 626 (0.36 spots per student, 85.9% filled)
2) Yale: 625 (1.02 spots per student, 85.8% filled)
3) NYU: 445 (0.3 spots per student, 95.7% filled)
4) Michigan: 430 (0.38 spots per student, 100% filled)
5) Berkeley: 403 (0.47 spots per student, 53.6% filled)
6) Northwestern: 353 (0.44 spots per student, 93.5% filled)
7) Georgetown: 296 (0.15 spots per student, 91.6% filled)
8 ) Stanford: 281 (0.49 spots per student, 80.4% filled)
9) Duke: 258 (0.39 spots per student, 75.6% filled)
10) Chicago: 256 (0.42 spots per student, 80.1% filled)
11) Cornell: 243 (0.41 spots per student, 89.7% filled)
12) UVA: 201 (0.19 spots per student, 95.5% filled)
13) Columbia: 165 (0.13 spots per student, 100% filled)
14) Penn: 164 (0.21 spots per student, 98.2% filled)

UPDATED: Percent of students on journal:
1) Yale: 73.3%
2) Stanford: 68.7%
3) Harvard: 63.7%
4) UVA: 63.7%
5) Duke: 59.4%
6) Columbia: 55.5%
7) Northwestern: 55%
8 ) Penn: 53%
9) Michigan: 51.5%
10) Cornell: 48.3%
11) NYU: 47.7%
12) Georgetown: 40.9%
13) Berkeley: 36.2%
14) Chicago: 23%

1L attrition rates:
1) Penn: 0% (0 students)
2) Cornell: 0% (0 students)
3) Columbia: 0.3% (1 student)
4) Harvard: 0.4% (2 students)
5) Yale: 0.5% (1 student)
6) Chicago: 1.1% (2 students)
7) NYU: 1.1% (5 students)
8 ) Berkeley: 1.1% (3 students)
9) Northwestern: 1.2% (3 students)
10) Duke: 1.5% (3 students)
11) Stanford: 1.7% (3 students)
12) Michigan: 1.7% (6 students)
13) UVA: 2.2% (8 students)
14) Georgetown: 3.3% (19 students)

HorseThief wrote:Section Size
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5. Duke 58

This isn't correct. Duke has 6 sections. Out of a class of 208, that would allocate an average of ~35 students per section.

Could we maybe include 2014 COA too?

Harvard 81,900
Duke 75,103
UVA either hasn't updated yet or is the same

Stanford LRW is graded same way as the doctrinal courses: h/p, with slim-to-nil possibility of "restricted credit" if you do something outrageously lazy or disrespectful

I think it's somewhat irresponsible to label an LRW "graded" if it doesn't factor into GPA/honors at the school. For example, at CLS we consider our LPW (legal writing equivalent) to be "ungraded" since it's not included in calculation of GPA/class honors (even though we don't release an official class rank) and it is therefore distinct from the "Graded" curriculum on an A/A-/B+/B scale.

Other schools with "High Pass/Pass/Fail" structures may still be "graded" in the sense that the class has non-zero weight on class rank/some impact on latin honors - those would be more appropriate metrics for incoming 0L's.

tl;dr, UVA, CLS, ect (and possibly other schools with letter grades in common law curriculum) do not have Graded LRW.