Class of 2009 Employment Data in Graphs (Last Update: T100) Forum
- DeeCee
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Hey, I used the site and it came out perfect for me-- that I should attend UNC based on my preferences, when I put in UNC (my acceptance), and UVA and Penn (WLs). I think it works pretty well.
The only thing I noticed is that you have tuition + COL set too low for UNC. When I went to ASD they estimated it at 40,000ish (about 19,000 tuition + 21,000 COL) , whereas your database estimates 36,000ish total. Perhaps UNC is anticipating for a large tuition and COL hike for Fall '11 and these numbers are not officially out yet, though.
The only thing I noticed is that you have tuition + COL set too low for UNC. When I went to ASD they estimated it at 40,000ish (about 19,000 tuition + 21,000 COL) , whereas your database estimates 36,000ish total. Perhaps UNC is anticipating for a large tuition and COL hike for Fall '11 and these numbers are not officially out yet, though.
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Yeah all my tuition is for the 2010-2011 School year since this is whats on the USNews profiles (I simply didnt have enough time to scrounge through each schools website for 2011-2012 figures, I'll update that later when I have more time).DeeCee wrote:Hey, I used the site and it came out perfect for me-- that I should attend UNC based on my preferences, when I put in UNC (my acceptance), and UVA and Penn (WLs). I think it works pretty well.
The only thing I noticed is that you have tuition + COL set too low for UNC. When I went to ASD they estimated it at 40,000ish (about 19,000 tuition + 21,000 COL) , whereas your database estimates 36,000ish total. Perhaps UNC is anticipating for a large tuition and COL hike for Fall '11 and these numbers are not officially out yet, though.
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Re: Class of 2009 Employment Data in Graphs (Last Update: T100)
USNWR profiles has data from differing years (yeah, they're that lazy). I'm not expecting you to correct the difference, just pointing it out.aliarrow wrote:Yeah all my tuition is for the 2010-2011 School year since this is whats on the USNews profiles (I simply didnt have enough time to scrounge through each schools website for 2011-2012 figures, I'll update that later when I have more time).DeeCee wrote:Hey, I used the site and it came out perfect for me-- that I should attend UNC based on my preferences, when I put in UNC (my acceptance), and UVA and Penn (WLs). I think it works pretty well.
The only thing I noticed is that you have tuition + COL set too low for UNC. When I went to ASD they estimated it at 40,000ish (about 19,000 tuition + 21,000 COL) , whereas your database estimates 36,000ish total. Perhaps UNC is anticipating for a large tuition and COL hike for Fall '11 and these numbers are not officially out yet, though.
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Re: Class of 2009 Employment Data in Graphs (Last Update: T100)
awesome graphs + awesome picker site
well done OP
well done OP
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Re: Class of 2009 Employment Data in Graphs (Last Update: T100)
So here is a question for grads especially but
a snapshot in any given year is very helpful but a trend over 2-3 years is even more so for someone considering one school over the other - and can indicate anything from new Career Services focus to better quality teaching/graduates to bad overall job market to other issues
any way I could find that?
a snapshot in any given year is very helpful but a trend over 2-3 years is even more so for someone considering one school over the other - and can indicate anything from new Career Services focus to better quality teaching/graduates to bad overall job market to other issues
any way I could find that?
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Re: Class of 2009 Employment Data in Graphs (Last Update: T100)
What is the margin for statistical significance in these graphs? Some of the variation between schools could likely be explained by chance alone no?
Plug this into SPSS and run the tests.
Plug this into SPSS and run the tests.
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Heh, it would be interesting to use statistics to break off official statistically significant tiers. But that might be overdoing it. For now eyeballing the graphs will suffice.Jumborific wrote:What is the margin for statistical significance in these graphs? Some of the variation between schools could likely be explained by chance alone no?
Plug this into SPSS and run the tests.
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aliarrow wrote:Heh, it would be interesting to use statistics to break off official statistically significant tiers. But that might be overdoing it. For now eyeballing the graphs will suffice.Jumborific wrote:What is the margin for statistical significance in these graphs? Some of the variation between schools could likely be explained by chance alone no?
Plug this into SPSS and run the tests.
one would also need the standard deviation of each schools salary distributions to make any statistical test viable.
Would be cool though.
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Re: Class of 2009 Employment Data in Graphs (Last Update: T100)
a few of the T15 images appear to be down, does anybody have copies?
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I'm pretty sure all of the information is available at --LinkRemoved-- One thing we do not do is carve out the NLJ 250 portion of the firm percentage because the denominators do not translate well.smithc2011 wrote:a few of the T15 images appear to be down, does anybody have copies?
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Re: Class of 2009 Employment Data in Graphs (Last Update: T100)
Thanks to OP for this extremely useful information and presentation. Has anyone done this for the Class of 2010? Or is all the relevant data not available yet?
- Strange
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Can anyone explain the difference between Bar Required and JD Preferred?
- Aberzombie1892
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Re: Class of 2009 Employment Data in Graphs (Last Update: T100)
JD preferred presumably would be white collar jobs (procurement/negotiators/contracts/NCAA/regulatory/etc.). However, I don't think it has been defined exactly.Strange wrote:Can anyone explain the difference between Bar Required and JD Preferred?
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What I mean is that in terms of "job quality" for the sake of using this data for 0L decisions, is Bar Required better, or JD preferred, or does it not indicate anything? Might be a stupid question.Aberzombie1892 wrote:JD preferred presumably would be white collar jobs (procurement/negotiators/contracts/NCAA/regulatory/etc.). However, I don't think it has been defined exactly.Strange wrote:Can anyone explain the difference between Bar Required and JD Preferred?
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It's impossible to answer that question because job quality is very subjective.Strange wrote:What I mean is that in terms of "job quality" for the sake of using this data for 0L decisions, is Bar Required better, or JD preferred, or does it not indicate anything? Might be a stupid question.Aberzombie1892 wrote:JD preferred presumably would be white collar jobs (procurement/negotiators/contracts/NCAA/regulatory/etc.). However, I don't think it has been defined exactly.Strange wrote:Can anyone explain the difference between Bar Required and JD Preferred?
For example: What job is best?
A. Corporate Associate at small firm $35K (bar required)
B. Procurement Specialist $45K (JD preferred)
C. Public Defender $40K (bar required)
D. NCAA Compliance Associate $40K (JD preferred)
E. Property Management Associate $38K (JD preferred) (performing leases and sales for a single company)
Each job is career track. Each offer valuable skills that will make the candidate attractive after a few years of experience. A room full of people would select different jobs.
A lot of people would claim that if they do not get a JD required job after graduation, then anything else is something they don't want. I'm not convinced that that's the right approach if you look at things in terms of career and not just in the short term.
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Hey everyone. This has been around for quite some time and feel free to ignore if this has been discussed. But what is the deal with these graphs? Are they accurate?
If I am reading it correctly it looks like about 85% of people at UVA (for example) came out well. Including clerks, academia, and "other firm"
is "other firm" negative (Shitlaw?) OR what is the deal? I feel like this makes things seem way better than I have heard lately.
If I am reading it correctly it looks like about 85% of people at UVA (for example) came out well. Including clerks, academia, and "other firm"
is "other firm" negative (Shitlaw?) OR what is the deal? I feel like this makes things seem way better than I have heard lately.
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From the chart, anything other than NJL250 firms.
I want to see CO2010, and summer job info.
I want to see CO2010, and summer job info.
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Is this a response to my comment?r6_philly wrote:From the chart, anything other than NJL250 firms.
I want to see CO2010, and summer job info.
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First part is. If I remember it was compiled with submitted data so if you trust the underlying data... I would think the firm data is fairly accurate. But other firms is the catch all which should include solos.AssumptionRequired wrote:Is this a response to my comment?r6_philly wrote:From the chart, anything other than NJL250 firms.
I want to see CO2010, and summer job info.
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Can't be all shit law, boutique appellate and admin firms like Kellogg Huber aren't in the NLJ250 are they?AssumptionRequired wrote:Hey everyone. This has been around for quite some time and feel free to ignore if this has been discussed. But what is the deal with these graphs? Are they accurate?
If I am reading it correctly it looks like about 85% of people at UVA (for example) came out well. Including clerks, academia, and "other firm"
is "other firm" negative (Shitlaw?) OR what is the deal? I feel like this makes things seem way better than I have heard lately.
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Re: Class of 2009 Employment Data in Graphs (Last Update: T100)
whoever put this together had way too much time on his/her hands
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Oh okay, gotcha.sjedood wrote:whoever put this together had way too much time on his/her handsI'm a douche.
- Richie Tenenbaum
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Wait--Class of 2009 is still in the boom economy right? (Went through OCI in 2008) Or is this the forgotten class right after? If it's boom economy, the salary data might make sense. But that means this data is pretty useless since the boom times are never going to return.
- ahduth
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They OCI'd in 2007, I think things were starting to turn to shit during OCI? At any rate, I want to say this is one of the classes that got majorly non-offered. I could be wrong, I have a lot of jurisdiction in my head right now.Richie Tenenbaum wrote:Wait--Class of 2009 is still in the boom economy right? (Went through OCI in 2008) Or is this the forgotten class right after? If it's boom economy, the salary data might make sense. But that means this data is pretty useless since the boom times are never going to return.
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These stats and the ones on LST are truly frightening. Example, you have over 40% of Hastings grads who are not confirmed to have full time legal work. Am I interpreting this correctly? Why would anyone want to some of these Tier 1 schools with a 40% chance of failure?
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