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St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:10 am
by Its the gel man
They're both 4th tier, but which one is better? I would love to live in Miami, but am not sure about St. Thomas' reputation reputation. Well, both the school's reputation suck, to be honest, but I'm most likely going to have to choose between one or the other. One thing that appeals to me about Nova is the program they have in Barcelona where you can get boarded in both Europe and Florida. Is this worth anything? Which one would you choose?

P.S. Taking the LSAT over is not an option

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:08 am
by RockyIII
Its the gel man wrote:P.S. Taking the LSAT over is not an option


Why?

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:28 am
by leefair123
I believe Nova has more options after you get your JD I have friends there and it is in a better area (safer, nicer).

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:09 pm
by rebexness

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:14 pm
by FeelTheHeat
Maybe he took it 3 times already?

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:15 pm
by FuManChusco
I cringe whenever I see the name St. Thomas.

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:18 pm
by rebexness

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:20 pm
by Alex-Trof
Off topic.

I worked with one "not-so-bright" individual who got a doctorate in education from Nova online. One time he was talking about his experience. The culmination of his studies was a trip to Florida for 2 weeks. And guess what, they stayed at Disney World. I wonder if law school experience there has anything to with Disney. Put on Mickey Mouse costumes and run around, entertain kids.

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:04 pm
by taxnstuff
I didnt even know nova existed until reading this, I thought you were talking about villanova.

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:00 pm
by Stardaze22
Its the gel man wrote:They're both 4th tier, but which one is better? I would love to live in Miami, but am not sure about St. Thomas' reputation reputation. Well, both the school's reputation suck, to be honest, but I'm most likely going to have to choose between one or the other. One thing that appeals to me about Nova is the program they have in Barcelona where you can get boarded in both Europe and Florida. Is this worth anything? Which one would you choose?

P.S. Taking the LSAT over is not an option



St Thomas. They have a ton of clinics to offer, more than any school in the state, and there is no limit to how many you can do. That is how you make connections, by doing things like clinics. They are well respected, especially in south fl/ miami. Much better than FIU too...moot court team is #4 in nation, beating out FSU and UF. A friend of mine graduated from there and is now working as an assistant attorney general and doing well for himself. Nova is embarrassing and caters more to second career people.

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:08 pm
by cmraider
Is Barry Law not an option?

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:26 pm
by EstboundNDwn
taxnstuff wrote:I didnt even know nova existed until reading this, I thought you were talking about villanova.


+1

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:47 pm
by classix
Stardaze22 wrote:
Its the gel man wrote:They're both 4th tier, but which one is better? I would love to live in Miami, but am not sure about St. Thomas' reputation reputation. Well, both the school's reputation suck, to be honest, but I'm most likely going to have to choose between one or the other. One thing that appeals to me about Nova is the program they have in Barcelona where you can get boarded in both Europe and Florida. Is this worth anything? Which one would you choose?

P.S. Taking the LSAT over is not an option



St Thomas. They have a ton of clinics to offer, more than any school in the state, and there is no limit to how many you can do. That is how you make connections, by doing things like clinics. They are well respected, especially in south fl/ miami. Much better than FIU too...moot court team is #4 in nation, beating out FSU and UF. A friend of mine graduated from there and is now working as an assistant attorney general and doing well for himself. Nova is embarrassing and caters more to second career people.


What?

I'm speechless

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:26 pm
by bearsfan1
EstboundNDwn wrote:
taxnstuff wrote:I didnt even know nova existed until reading this, I thought you were talking about villanova.


+1


Lol I thought it was a reference to Villanova at first too.

Edit: OP I just checked out Nova on Wikipedia. The entire section on Nova seems to have been written by a Nova representative. However, there was one line that stood out to me " There is a 22% attrition among 1L's". Plus, it's tuition is listed at like $34k or something like that. Definitely either retake or do something else besides getting a law degree.

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:01 pm
by Stardaze22
classix wrote:
Stardaze22 wrote:
Its the gel man wrote:They're both 4th tier, but which one is better? I would love to live in Miami, but am not sure about St. Thomas' reputation reputation. Well, both the school's reputation suck, to be honest, but I'm most likely going to have to choose between one or the other. One thing that appeals to me about Nova is the program they have in Barcelona where you can get boarded in both Europe and Florida. Is this worth anything? Which one would you choose?

P.S. Taking the LSAT over is not an option



St Thomas. They have a ton of clinics to offer, more than any school in the state, and there is no limit to how many you can do. That is how you make connections, by doing things like clinics. They are well respected, especially in south fl/ miami. Much better than FIU too...moot court team is #4 in nation, beating out FSU and UF. A friend of mine graduated from there and is now working as an assistant attorney general and doing well for himself. Nova is embarrassing and caters more to second career people.


What?

I'm speechless


you obviously don't know much about the school.

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:15 pm
by Stardaze22
Its the gel man wrote:They're both 4th tier, but which one is better? I would love to live in Miami, but am not sure about St. Thomas' reputation reputation. Well, both the school's reputation suck, to be honest, but I'm most likely going to have to choose between one or the other. One thing that appeals to me about Nova is the program they have in Barcelona where you can get boarded in both Europe and Florida. Is this worth anything? Which one would you choose?

P.S. Taking the LSAT over is not an option



another thing about St. Thomas..it is a smaller school with real camaraderie among the students. They are all pretty close, which is rare for law school, & it makes for a seriously nice environment to go to school in. The professors all have open door policies and are great about assisting from what I've heard and seen. I encourage you to visit, that is what really made me love the school even after hearing about it from friends who graduated from there. There is really a nice feel to this school, and the career service people are actually there to help the students (not make you feel like a number, like fsu or uf) I'd look more into it if I were you. T4 or not, it's respected.

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:18 pm
by classix
Stardaze22 wrote:
classix wrote:
Stardaze22 wrote:
Its the gel man wrote:They're both 4th tier, but which one is better? I would love to live in Miami, but am not sure about St. Thomas' reputation reputation. Well, both the school's reputation suck, to be honest, but I'm most likely going to have to choose between one or the other. One thing that appeals to me about Nova is the program they have in Barcelona where you can get boarded in both Europe and Florida. Is this worth anything? Which one would you choose?

P.S. Taking the LSAT over is not an option



St Thomas. They have a ton of clinics to offer, more than any school in the state, and there is no limit to how many you can do. That is how you make connections, by doing things like clinics. They are well respected, especially in south fl/ miami. Much better than FIU too...moot court team is #4 in nation, beating out FSU and UF. A friend of mine graduated from there and is now working as an assistant attorney general and doing well for himself. Nova is embarrassing and caters more to second career people.


What?

I'm speechless


you obviously don't know much about the school.


I know this:
They have "connections"?
#4 Moot court team
Your friend went there

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Look at:

Attrition rate
COA
LSAT
GPA - this is most embarrassing, the median is below 3.0...

Did you know that much?

Don't misinterpret me though, the other is just as bad
NOVA
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Basically the same. Higher GPA, lower LSAT

How is one more embarrassing than the other?

They are part of the failure florida four: Nova, St. Thomas, Barry, Ave Maria

(side note, don't at least 3 of these have christian affiliation? Coincidence or not?...)

I'd also like to see some substantive salary data for a real rodeo here.

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:21 pm
by aliarrow
Retaking is always an option (if you can't now because you're maxed, then wait a year). So is not going to law school.

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:25 pm
by classix
Stardaze22 wrote:
Its the gel man wrote:They're both 4th tier, but which one is better? I would love to live in Miami, but am not sure about St. Thomas' reputation reputation. Well, both the school's reputation suck, to be honest, but I'm most likely going to have to choose between one or the other. One thing that appeals to me about Nova is the program they have in Barcelona where you can get boarded in both Europe and Florida. Is this worth anything? Which one would you choose?

P.S. Taking the LSAT over is not an option



another thing about St. Thomas..it is a smaller school with real camaraderie among the students. They are all pretty close, which is rare for law school, & it makes for a seriously nice environment to go to school in. The professors all have open door policies and are great about assisting from what I've heard and seen. I encourage you to visit, that is what really made me love the school even after hearing about it from friends who graduated from there. There is really a nice feel to this school, and the career service people are actually there to help the students (not make you feel like a number, like fsu or uf) I'd look more into it if I were you. T4 or not, it's respected.


Also, it's nice that you say that about the camaraderie, but that doesn't mean anything.

Looking at your post history you applied to at least FSU. Did you not get in and that's why St. Thomas is now more respected? Is that why FSU makes students feel like a number?

I don't want to crush your dreams and burst your imaginary bubble of this amazing school in Florida that no one is giving attention to, but you are only fooling yourself.

That being said, I will humbly take back everything I've said if you show me some decent employment stats. To me that represents "respect" IRL.

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:36 pm
by fdr123
St Thomas is a well respected school. It is a very new school and this is why most of you have never heard of it. And for employment, it is the person who gets the job not the school. Yes it helps to go to a tier 2 than a tier 4 but it is the person who goes through the interview and proves he or she can do the job. St. Thomas is up and coming and most of you TLSers only care about rank and prestige. Once you pass the bar and get your first job, the law school you went to means nothing. "In the real world-the world of clients and juries and judges-no one cares about your GPA or LSAT score...All that matters is how good and ethical a lawyer you are."

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:39 pm
by aliarrow
This thread has to be one of the most elaborate troll attempts ever made.

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:41 pm
by classix
aliarrow wrote:This thread has to be one of the most elaborate troll attempts ever made.


There must be multiple trolls who have been making posts for a month to set this shit up!

That being said,

LET'S TALK EMPLOYMENT, PEOPLE!

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:45 pm
by FeelTheHeat
When I think of up and coming, I think of 26 year old schools. FIU has already passed them and has been around less than a decade, correct?

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:48 pm
by gwuorbust
QF this threads future: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=123722

Re: St. Thomas vs. Nova

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:49 pm
by classix
gwuorbust wrote:QF this threads future: http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 0&t=123722


haha good point. I guess some questions just have no answer.